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07-28-2009, 04:53 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Metro St. Louis | | Those clips are from 2003, I think. It is really old news. That Michael was odd at best is hardly a newsflash. 
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07-28-2009, 04:53 AM
| | | | I could'nt even watch them both untill the end.
Glad I was alone,eerrie... |
07-28-2009, 05:08 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Mexico City. | | | I dont think im saying nothing new, but in my opinion, he did not have a childhood, he is trying to live a childhood.
Take into consideration that it is very easy to sue a famous person for whatever, and it is easy to make a buck because they have so much money one would imagine they would just pay.
And kind of off topic, but i believe thay the people that got completely destroyed by his death, wherent sad becaus of the fact he died, but because it represents something from their childhood, so they feel old, and makes the conscious of how stuff changes, and maybe Michael was a link to things of their past.
All IMHO
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07-28-2009, 05:12 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | I don't know why people have to engage in "muckraking" now that he is dead...
Surely it's better to stick to the maxim of not speaking ill of the dead?
All it can do now, is serve to upset friends and family... 
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07-28-2009, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield  I don't know why people have to engage in "muckraking" now that he is dead... | It was going on before he was dead.
And the "muckraking" didn't raise as much after he died as the sudden collective worshipping this musical talent.
So we're okay there when speaking negative about MJ. Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield Surely it's better to stick to the maxim of not speaking ill of the dead? | That's too "sunshine and rainbows" for me.
I want to give my honest opinion about people, the fact that they died doesn't change my opinion. Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield All it can do is serve to upset friends and family... | I think his friends and family are used to that and learned how to handle it already. |
07-28-2009, 05:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bowling Green, Ohio | | | that whole documentary was so focused on making him look bad. |
07-28-2009, 05:30 AM
| | | | If anything I feel sympithetic & sad for him now.
He left a large chunk of his fortune to various children's charities. Was a tortured sould who tortured & isolated himself from the world. |
07-28-2009, 05:48 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote:
Originally Posted by René_Julien It was going on before he was dead.
And the "muckraking" didn't raise as much after he died as the sudden collective worshipping this musical talent.
So we're okay there when speaking negative about MJ.
That's too "sunshine and rainbows" for me.
I want to give my honest opinion about people, the fact that they died doesn't change my opinion.
I think his friends and family are used to that and learned how to handle it already. | You miss my point - which is that all this can serve no purpose now he is dead - there is nothing to be gained and only the possibility of upsetting others.
While he was alive it might have served as a warning to others and it may have had some remote possibility of being useful - but not now!
Best to leave what you can't do anything about and why take any risk that you are upsetting those who loved him? There can be no point.... 
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07-28-2009, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Adelleda I dont think im saying nothing new, but in my opinion, he did not have a childhood, he is trying to live a childhood. | That's exactly it. His childhood was screwed up, and IMO, he was living his own fake childhood through other children. Quote:
Originally Posted by Barkless Dog If anything I feel sympithetic & sad for him now.
He left a large chunk of his fortune to various children's charities. Was a tortured sould who tortured & isolated himself from the world. | That's what people forget about him. He was SO generous to charities around the world.
In the video, when he said he wanted to adopt two children from each continent around the world, that made me feel great. |
07-28-2009, 01:01 PM
| | | I saw that special a while back. I was sympathetic and giving him the benefit of the doubt when he was talking about his dad. But when he denied having the plastic surgery I realized he was either mentally ill or a pathological liar (or both).
Nonetheless, he struck me as a dude who realized if he just said something straight serious to the camera, no matter how at odds with the obvious, a very large number of soft-minded people would believe him because he's Michael Jackson. It struck me as very cynical. At that point I didn't know if I could believe anything he said though I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff about his dad were true. You have to factor in the generation and the fact that he had 5 young boys (brothers no less) pulling together with such discipline and precision. There's no free lunch. Quote:
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07-28-2009, 01:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London, Ontario | | | I watched the whole documentary the night before Jackson's death and it was pathetic. The reporter's goal was to bring out the bad and never the good of Michael. "I don't feel like Michael is being honest about his plastic surgeries" "He was holding hands with the kids during the interviews" and so on. The reporter was a complete ***hole.
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07-28-2009, 01:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: London, Ontario | | Quote:
Originally Posted by KPAX I saw that special a while back. I was sympathetic and giving him the benefit of the doubt when he was talking about his dad. But when he denied having the plastic surgery I realized he was either mentally ill or a pathological liar (or both).
Nonetheless, he struck me as a dude who realized if he just said something straight serious to the camera, no matter how at odds with the obvious, a very large number of soft-minded people would believe him because he's Michael Jackson. It struck me as very cynical. At that point I didn't know if I could believe anything he said though I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff about his dad were true. You have to factor in the generation and the fact that he had 5 young boys (brothers no less) pulling together with such discipline and precision. There's no free lunch. | No offense to you, but this is exactly what I believe was the intention of the reporter and the producers. Portray Michael as pedophile, liar, fake and so on.
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07-28-2009, 01:51 PM
| | | It wasn't the reporter who was saying he hadn't had the plastic surgeries, it was Michael.
The reporter was asking the questions people would like to have Michael answer. That's what reporters jobs are. What was he supposed to do - a puff piece?
Jackson agreed to the terms of the interviews beforehand - he obviously thought his powers of persuasion would prevail over all.
He was like the Groucho Marx quote - Are you gonna believe me, or your own lying eyes? Quote:
Originally Posted by crispygoat No offense to you, but this is exactly what I believe was the intention of the reporter and the producers. Portray Michael as pedophile, liar, fake and so on. |
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07-28-2009, 02:07 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado | | | We need MORE evidence to know that MJ was a nutball?
Reduntantly redundant.
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07-28-2009, 02:16 PM
| | | I was inclined to agree but then I read posts here complaining about mean reporters portraying Michael in a bad light (as if he needed help). Quote:
Originally Posted by Pilgrim We need MORE evidence to know that MJ was a nutball?
Reduntantly redundant. | |
07-28-2009, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield I don't know why people have to engage in "muckraking" now that he is dead...
Surely it's better to stick to the maxim of not speaking ill of the dead?
All it can do now, is serve to upset friends and family... | I'll speak ill of whomever I please, I think the maxim to recall is: Whats the point? He's been judged now by someone who knew all the facts about him (if you are that kind of believer) or he is worm food (if you lean toward that spiritual bent)
Either way its academic. Dude was a weirdo, not so much anymore. In death we are all equals in the eyes of the living.
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