Looks like I'm driving everywhere from now on

tplyons · #1 01-03-2010, 07:14 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/03/new...ach/index.html

Lockdown at Newark International Airport

casualmadness · #2 01-03-2010, 07:18 PM

Ridiculous

tplyons · #3 01-03-2010, 07:22 PM

Before this last round of events, security through EWR (Newark Liberty International) took 3+ hours at peak travel times. Now, I can definitely see it being 4+ removing ANY advantage to flying, especially if we may not be able to access carry-ons or have anything on our laps, let alone move about the cabin.

I'm supposed to fly to Cincinnati sometime in the next couple of months... I might just opt to drive instead. I'd probably get there quicker anyway.

casualmadness · #4 01-03-2010, 07:30 PM

Last time I flew into and out of Newark, it took a while to get through security. Couple of hours if I remember correctly. It's getting ridiculous. Flying never bothered me but since 9/11 and the latest stuff going down, I get super nervous when I get on a plane anymore. I always opt to drive when it's an option. I just can't stand thinking that the plane I'm on is the same one some nut job with a death wish is on.
Scary stuff.

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Originally Posted by tplyons

Before this last round of events, security through EWR (Newark Liberty International) took 3+ hours at peak travel times. Now, I can definitely see it being 4+ removing ANY advantage to flying, especially if we may not be able to access carry-ons or have anything on our laps, let alone move about the cabin.

I'm supposed to fly to Cincinnati sometime in the next couple of months... I might just opt to drive instead. I'd probably get there quicker anyway.

MJ5150 · #5 01-03-2010, 07:32 PM

Never again because of this incident that is now over? I don't get it.

-Mike

tplyons · #6 01-03-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

Never again because of this incident that is now over? I don't get it.

-Mike

I figure with the added delays getting through security, the potential inability to move about the cabin, the potential loss of anything on your lap i.e. reading material... flying has lost all benefits within about 750 miles.

Driving is often cheaper, and might actually be quicker, depending on the airports you're dealing with.

**jmattbassplaya** · #7 01-03-2010, 07:45 PM

IMHO, the terrorists have already won with the way things have turned out over the past few years with national security and our liberties. Everyone is so afraid of a couple nut jobs in caves that we have been willing to give up liberties left and right for a false sense of security. Anyone who wants to do us harm will find a way no matter what measures have been put in place to stop them, so IMHO, we may as well be comfortable when they try.

Jefenator · #8 01-03-2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tplyons

I figure with the added delays getting through security, the potential inability to move about the cabin, the potential loss of anything on your lap i.e. reading material... flying has lost all benefits within about 750 miles.

Alas, my dad lives 1200 miles away.

I wonder when I'm going to have to show up now for that 6 am departure?

tplyons · #9 01-03-2010, 08:53 PM

Probably 6pm the night before...

Oric · #10 01-03-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by casualmadness

I just can't stand thinking that the plane I'm on is the same one some nut job with a death wish is on.
Scary stuff.

Still safer than the highway, where you're on the road with seemingly thousands of people who have a death wish, or at least aren't paying attention. (just had to beep at someone today attempting to merge into my car- GPS systems are for glancing, not staring...)

Jefenator · #11 01-03-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

IMHO, the terrorists have already won with the way things have turned out over the past few years with national security and our liberties. Everyone is so afraid of a couple nut jobs in caves that we have been willing to give up liberties left and right for a false sense of security. Anyone who wants to do us harm will find a way no matter what measures have been put in place to stop them, so IMHO, we may as well be comfortable when they try.

I flew up to see the fam in October 2001, made my reservation later in the previous month. My little way of giving the finger back to Al-Qaeda.

**jmattbassplaya** · #12 01-03-2010, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefenator

I flew up to see the fam in October 2001, made my reservation later in the previous month. My little way of giving the finger back to Al-Qaeda.

Good to know some people kept their wits about them!

seanm · #13 01-03-2010, 09:42 PM

This article seems apropos. It basically says we, Canada and the US, are going about airport security wrong. The part about the long lineups makes a *lot* of sense.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Lo...529/story.html

MadMan118 · #14 01-03-2010, 09:54 PM

I don't fly unless I absolutely have to like over on an ocean or something. I recently went to visit some friends of mine in the Chicago area, by train. Slower than a plane, but 10x better.

iamlowsound · #15 01-03-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by seanm

This article seems apropos. It basically says we, Canada and the US, are going about airport security wrong. The part about the long lineups makes a *lot* of sense.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Lo...529/story.html

As much as I hate to say it, profiling works well. I know people that work at Canada Customs and the official policy is that there is no such thing as profiling. Unofficially they are told to do what it takes, aka, profile. It works and it seems to be working well in Israel, which is at a much higher risk of terrorism.

lowsound

**jmattbassplaya** · #16 01-03-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by seanm

This article seems apropos. It basically says we, Canada and the US, are going about airport security wrong. The part about the long lineups makes a *lot* of sense.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Lo...529/story.html

I didn`t even have to read past that part to completely agree with the sentiment.

Number27 · #17 01-03-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by seanm

This article seems apropos. It basically says we, Canada and the US, are going about airport security wrong. The part about the long lineups makes a *lot* of sense.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Lo...529/story.html

bing! we have a winner. great points there.

the u.s. needs to get in on this.. now is not the time to be politically correct.

MJ5150 · #18 01-04-2010, 09:19 AM

I fly all the time. I don't have any issues. I've been on a plane with a few people who would fit the "terrorist" stereotype, but it hasn't bothered me. I have yet to be stuck in terribly long delays because of security. I get to the airport plenty of time early, and I check in online the night before the flight.

I really don't know what all the fuss is about.

-Mike

**jmattbassplaya** · #19 01-04-2010, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

I fly all the time. I don't have any issues. I've been on a plane with a few people who would fit the "terrorist" stereotype, but it hasn't bothered me. I have yet to be stuck in terribly long delays because of security. I get to the airport plenty of time early, and I check in online the night before the flight.

I really don't know what all the fuss is about.

-Mike

I think people just miss the days when all you did was literally walk on the plane, sat for 20 minutes as they put the baggage underneath, and then took off.

But even so, some airports take forever regardless of how well prepared you are before your flight. I go out to LA twice every year and every time it takes me an hour just to get through security(at 5 am...) and then another hour before I can even get on the plane, and then at least 30 minutes before we finally take off. It`s not fun at all...

MakiSupaStar · #20 01-04-2010, 09:50 AM

True story. My buddies and I were going to Vegas for a bachelor party (a 45 minute flight). I dropped a buddy off at the John Wayne airport (It was kind of on the way) and proceeded to drive out to Vegas. It took me 5.5 hours to drive it. I stopped for gas, and to grab something to eat. I arrived to our room an hour before they did.