...Made by GM, Surprised?

[tplyons]

Do you have any feelings about every Cadillac, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Saab commercial ending with ...Made by GM, surprised?

[Jeremy Crockett]

They're trying to salvage their company. In my opinion, Cadillac hasn't been Cadillac since they ceased Eldorado production. Dropping the DeVille was the last page in this Land Yacht fans book.

[Commreman]

GM doesn't need my money directly. They can go to congress, who will give them a handout with my taxed to my eye teeth tax dollars. If I ever decide to buy an American car again, it will probably be a Ford - they said "no thanks" to the bailout, hence, my respect level for them has grown tremendously.

[jrthebassguy]

Originally Posted by Commreman

GM doesn't need my money directly. They can go to congress, who will give them a handout with my taxed to my eye teeth tax dollars. If I ever decide to buy an American car again, it will probably be a Ford - they said "no thanks" to the bailout, hence, my respect level for them has grown tremendously.

+1


My current car is a Ford, and my next car will likely be a Ford.

[warwick.hoy]

Originally Posted by tplyons

Do you have any feelings about every Cadillac, Chevrolet, Pontiac and Saab commercial ending with ...Made by GM, surprised?

I've seen those. The answer is nope. They make every other car in the world. (I know they really don't but it sure seems that way.)

[spencer]

Originally Posted by Commreman

If I ever decide to buy an American car again, it will probably be a Ford - they said "no thanks" to the bailout, hence, my respect level for them has grown tremendously.

is this true?

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by Commreman

GM doesn't need my money directly. They can go to congress, who will give them a handout with my taxed to my eye teeth tax dollars. If I ever decide to buy an American car again, it will probably be a Ford - they said "no thanks" to the bailout, hence, my respect level for them has grown tremendously.

+100000 I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!

You guys do know that Chrysler is owned by one of the richest corporations on the planet, don't you? (even american owned?)

They needed the bailout even less than Ford.

[ADbassman]

Hey guys, you do know that everything you hear the internet is true, right?

Personally, I'll buy from whoever makes the best car.

[Chunk-O-Funk]

Regardless of who makes "a great car" I think it's an odd tactic for an ad campaign.

[nortonrider]

Cerberus ( a private company) owns 80% of Chrysler
AND 51% of GMAC.

[Pilgrim]

I'm fine with those commercials. I think a lot of people have a completely inaccurate view of GM cars. They had problems a couple of decades ago, but they're good, durable cars now. My '99 Blazer with 136K miles just had its first set of spark plugs and drives great.

I like the new Cadillac styling MUCH better than the older cars. Only people over 60 were buying the old Caddies - they were obsolete in design. Caddy has done a great job of resurrecting itself in the past couple of years.

And how is it possible that anyone did NOT know that Ford wasn't part of the bailout (yet)? It has been on every newscast every hour for the past 10 days or so.

[Alcyon]

The fact that one company offers four different lines of vehicles, each of which has considerable overlap in terms of offerings (1 four door sedan, 1 small SUV, 1 big SUV, etc. etc.) has helped doom the company... Everybody likes having options but when you're using the same body frame and putting a different logo on it then it gets ridiculous.

Toyota all the way. Better yet, ride your bike/take public transit.

[kserg]

Originally Posted by Alcyon

The fact that one company offers four different lines of vehicles, each of which has considerable overlap in terms of offerings (1 four door sedan, 1 small SUV, 1 big SUV, etc. etc.) has helped doom the company... Everybody likes having options but when you're using the same body frame and putting a different logo on it then it gets ridiculous.

Toyota all the way. Better yet, ride your bike/take public transit.

Hmmm... Toyota was bailed out by Japanese government. It happens. -- grant it, it happened long time ago...

[Jeremy Crockett]

Originally Posted by Pilgrim

I like the new Cadillac styling MUCH better than the older cars. Only people over 60 were buying the old Caddies - they were obsolete in design.

But who am I going to go to in 20 years for my Old Man Car? I was counting on Cadillac to get me through geezerhood in style.

[Spector_Ray]

I hate all car commercials. No matter what brand, they like stroking their own egos. It's one thing to tout your product, but I really don't give a rat's arse what JD Powers or Motor Trend have to say and I'm sick of 'our truck's brakes can beat the crap out of your truck's brakes'.

[doctorjazz]

Originally Posted by Alcyon

The fact that one company offers four different lines of vehicles, each of which has considerable overlap in terms of offerings (1 four door sedan, 1 small SUV, 1 big SUV, etc. etc.) has helped doom the company... Everybody likes having options but when you're using the same body frame and putting a different logo on it then it gets ridiculous.

Toyota all the way.

You mean kind of like how the Lexus ES350, GX470, and LX570 are a rebadged Toyota Camry, 4Runner and Land Cruiser?

Toyota does make damn fine cars though, I have to admit.

[hbarcat]

Even Toyota lost a couple of billion dollars in this past year. The worldwide economic stagnation has hit every car company right in the crotch and to single out American car companies as being to blame for their own failure while saying Japanese companies' market woes are the fault of "the economy" is pure sophistry.

Still, GM has made a lot of bad business decisions and the way they have been marketing their cars assumes that every potential buyer still lives in 1957 and thinks that Chevy is forever in the hearts of America as much as baseball and apple pie. This has made them easy targets for their competitors who have had some success in depicting GM as a third rate company that produces only vehicles that nobody wants and which will all fall apart before 100k on the odo.

[Dr Stankface]

Those commercials don't really bother me because I don't pay attention to them. I'm a Ford guy.

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

Even Toyota lost a couple of billion dollars in this past year. The worldwide economic stagnation has hit every car company right in the crotch and to single out American car companies as being to blame for their own failure while saying Japanese companies' market woes are the fault of "the economy" is pure sophistry.

The economy is in the toilet, no doubt. The fact remains that US automakers have consistently lost market share over the last few decades and are now at the point where they can't whether the storm, with Ford being the possible exception (I'll be glad to expand on my opinion of why this is the case if the discussion veers in that direction).

Toyota hasn't been losing market share that long and neither has any other automaker. I'm gathering you don't read many automobile magazines. Editorials have been hoping for the best but predicting the worst for GM for a while. This economic "slump" was the straw that broke the camel's back, but far from the lone reason for the current situation they find themselves in.

Mike

[anyonefortennis]

I saw one today and my response was 'no'. It was some new ugly ass chevy crossover that led to a facepalm.

/my 01 impala sucked - same intake manifold gasket problem with ALL of those cars and was never recalled.

//VW man now, Deuschland represent.