Manti Te'o...girlfriend's death a hoax? - Page 11

sloasdaylight · #**201** 01-22-2013, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by aborgman

It points to the quality of his judgement.

Is he going to be so naive he gets taken for all his money after a big pay day? NFL teams worry about the financial acumen of their players.

Is he going to do something like this again, and embarrass the franchise?

The guy is widely lauded, not for his physical gifts, but for his intelligence as a player - how does this comment on that?

Does this bad publicity make him a poor choice as a "face of the franchise"?

Many teams that were considering drafting him were absolutely considering his appeal to the masses and ability to sell tickets - does he lose some of that appeal due to this?

Oh please. Kids are arrested in college, suspended for behavioral issues, get poor grades, and all sorts of other stuff and they're still drafted. As for his intelligence as a player, there are players in the NFL right now that can barely string together a coherent sentence, DeAngelo Hall being a perfect example, and they've still managed to do well.

aborgman · #**202** 01-22-2013, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sloasdaylight

Oh please. Kids are arrested in college, suspended for behavioral issues, get poor grades, and all sorts of other stuff and they're still drafted.

Yes.

...and the NFL teams considering drafting those players are interested in those things.

No one is saying this makes him undraftable - but this, like the drunk driving conviction, or getting caught cheating in class, or getting into fights with teammates, etc, etc. are indicators that NFL teams look at and care about.

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Originally Posted by sloasdaylight

As for his intelligence as a player, there are players in the NFL right now that can barely string together a coherent sentence, DeAngelo Hall being a perfect example, and they've still managed to do well.

Position and overall physical skills make a difference.

DeAngelo Hall plays corner (which along with RB and defensive line) is generally considered one of the least mentally strenuous positions... and he was a physical freak coming out of college.

Middle linebacker, like QB and Center - is generally considered mentally demanding position... and T'eo ISN'T a physical freak.

You can't ignore the public relations side of this either - teams do shift players in draft ranking because they'll sell more (or less) tickets.

Smokin' Toaster · #**203** 01-22-2013, 12:16 PM

I think most NFL teams would be happy to draft Charles Manson or Bashar al-Assad if it would help them get to the Super Bowl. The "brains and integrity" filter of the NFL doesn't exclude anyone who can help a franchise get to the Super Bowl. Who knows, the whole hoopla might just help a franchise sell tickets, with "fans" coming out to see if T'eo can overcome this mess.

aborgman · #**204** 01-22-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster

I think most NFL teams would be happy to draft Charles Manson or Bashar al-Assad if it would help them get to the Super Bowl.

Nah... it's more about money.

They'd be happy to draft Charles Manson or Bashar al-Assad if it would help them get to the Super Bowl, and they wouldn't lose too many fans doing so.

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Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster

The "brains and integrity" filter of the NFL doesn't exclude anyone who can help a franchise get to the Super Bowl.

Right... but the lack of brains on his part brings his ability to help a franchise get to the Super Bowl into some question.

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Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster

Who knows, the whole hoopla might just help a franchise sell tickets, with "fans" coming out to see if T'eo can overcome this mess.

Absolutely - and yet another reason an NFL team might be interested in this story.

sloasdaylight · #**205** 01-22-2013, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by aborgman

Right... but the lack of brains on his part brings his ability to help a franchise get to the Super Bowl into some question.

Te'o helped get his team to the NCAA championship game this season. Whether they deserved to be there is up for debate, but the fact remains that he got them there. I'm pretty sure there aren't too many scouts out there worried about his game smarts.

aborgman · #**206** 01-22-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sloasdaylight

Te'o helped get his team to the NCAA championship game this season. Whether they deserved to be there is up for debate, but the fact remains that he got them there. I'm pretty sure there aren't too many scouts out there worried about his game smarts.

...and I'm pretty sure some of those scouts you think aren't worried about his game smarts are talking to a whole bunch more people and doing a bunch more investigating into whether his game smarts are what they've been purported to be.

I'm not saying he isn't football smart - I'm saying NFL teams are interested in EVERY niggling details about prospects.

Look at the stuff the Dallas Cowboys were asking Dez Bryant about his mother for an example...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_554266.html

Pilgrim · #**207** 01-22-2013, 12:50 PM

This guy will get drafted, probably high.

The NFL doesn't care that he's (1) a flake, or (2) hyper-gullible, or (3) involved in the stupidest publicity stunt in decades. (Pick one, I don't care which.) They only care that he can play football and doesn't carry a gun and shoot himself or someone else with it.

aborgman · #**208** 01-22-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

This guy will get drafted, probably high.

I'd guess in the 20-25th pick of the 1st round range.

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

The NFL doesn't care that he's (1) a flake, or (2) hyper-gullible, or (3) involved in the stupidest publicity stunt in decades. (Pick one, I don't care which.) They only care that he can play football and doesn't carry a gun and shoot himself or someone else with it.

Of course they care.

They might not care enough to not draft him, or they might not care enough to even shift his draft position much... but I'll bet you that EVERY team seriously considering drafting him will ask him questions about the incident.

Tractorr · #**209** 01-22-2013, 02:18 PM

1) As far as why we care. It was honestly one of the oddest stories I have ever encountered. Some of his representatives or someone from ND should have gotten him out there the day the story broke or earlier to clear things up. He made this much worse by staying quite.

2) Middle linebacker is becoming a less and less important position in the NFL as the league goes to more pass happy. This is not my opinion just look at where MLBs get draft. Very rarely are they drafted really highly because they are probably the least valuable position on a modern NFL roster. Te'o was then further hurt by his performance against elite competition in the NCG. Those are the most important factors for NFL owners. This whole situation just allows most of them to move him down their draft board without feeling bad about it.

Eublet · #**210** 01-24-2013, 10:10 AM

This thing gets stranger every day.

Jeff K · #**211** 01-24-2013, 03:57 PM

Steelers will probably grab him with the 17th pick. I feel kind of sorry for him. Heck, we all do stupid things when we're young. I think he was rather sheltered from a dating standpoint, and legitimately got duped. THEN he helped perpetuate the sham after realizing it because he was so embarrassed. Definitely not something to be proud of, but I do feel bad for him.

Eublet · #**212** 01-24-2013, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff K

Steelers will probably grab him with the 17th pick. I feel kind of sorry for him. Heck, we all do stupid things when we're young. I think he was rather sheltered from a dating standpoint, and legitimately got duped. THEN he helped perpetuate the sham after realizing it because he was so embarrassed. Definitely not something to be proud of, but I do feel bad for him.

I agree with you at this point.

Lady Kayri · #**213** 01-25-2013, 08:03 AM

I don't think this damages his NFL prospects that much. After all, the Eagles hired on Michael Vick after he got out of prison. I'm not a Vick fan, so his performance in the last year or so ... Well, I'm not upset to see him benched. Even so, manti's shenanigans are pretty minor compared to what other players have done, yet managed to stay playing...

macaroni tony · #**214** 01-25-2013, 08:34 AM

Finally heard a clip from one of ~~Ronaiah Tuiasasopo's~~ "Lennay's" voicemails last night...holy crap...this is creepy

tastybasslines · #**215** 01-25-2013, 10:50 PM

Katie Couric asked Manti if he was gay. Here is interview and the body language analysis, basically insinuating that he is gay.

http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2...ysis-2280.html

elgecko · #**216** 01-26-2013, 05:42 PM

tastybasslines · #**217** 01-26-2013, 07:01 PM

bassguitarthund · #**218** 01-26-2013, 08:08 PM

Hey way a minute after reading thru all these pages, I am a ND fan (grew up 20 mins from there), I was agreeing with you I'm my mind and heart. Now you got to go and bash Gene!!!!

bassguitarthund · #**219** 01-26-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster

There can be no doubt that the way this story is being blown out of proportion is sensationalism at it's worst.
There are "fans" out there who are more fans of opponents misery than they are of their own team.

If this is a young man's major screw up, it is a sad fact is that there are a lot of people really enjoying every minute of it because of the team he plays for. That's really sad for the people enjoying it. I'd stand by that statement if it were any player on any team in the country, including teams I have distain for.

The thought has crossed my mind that maybe T'eo subscribes to the Gene Simmons school of thought that no publicity is bad publicity, and he might be trying to benefit from this whole fiasco. If that's the case then it sad for everyone he sucked in, because regardless of whether you're enjoying his misfortune or defending his honor, you got duped bigger than he claims he got duped.

Hey way a minute after reading thru all these pages, I am a ND fan (grew up 20 mins from there), I was agreeing with you I'm my mind and heart. Now you got to go and bash Gene!!!!