Metal takes more brain than punk?

[scorpionldr]

So I was watching youtube. The feature for tonight was outtakes of the popular Minor Threat song, Guilty of Being White. So I watched a few videos, you know, the song is good. I come across the Slayer cover of Guilty tho, and personally, it just hit the spot so much better than the original. it was almost like Minor Threat never wrote the song and Slayer was just always more on top to begin with.

Which sort of brings me to the question: is Metal smarter (or dare I say, even more punk) than punk? I've always been so much more of a speed junkie; while I can listen to punk, it's good, but it's almost like if you mention anything about like faster, or more parts, your the "man bringing the music down".

GRIND FOREVER!!

[Deluge Of Sound]

What? I suggest you check out some Power-Violence and Thrash-core bands, educate yourself, and re-evaluate your opinion.

Check out Spazz, Crucial Unit, Scholastic Deth, Bad Acid Trip, Crossed-Out, D.R.I., Charles Bronson, Kung-Fu Rick, and so on.
You can even download Crucial Unit and Scholastic Deth's respective discographies from their websites. Linkage is below:

An Overview of Power Violence
http://www.decibelmagazine.com/featu...rviolence.aspx

Scholastic Deth's homepage
http://www.geocities.com/scholasticdeth/

Crucial Unit's homepage
http://www.crucialunit.net/

And a whole mess of myspace/youtube:
http://www.myspace.com/badacidtrip2
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendid=6274881
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=38120091
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6kJ2qmD-K4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYPMFsPc5eA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Wpo7fsHXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbm6HZ-SOsM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l-iB...eature=related
And yeah, Grindcore is good stuff.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

What? I suggest you check out some Power-Violence and Thrash-core bands, educate yourself, and re-evaluate your opinion.

Check out Spazz, Crucial Unit, Scholastic Deth, Bad Acid Trip, Crossed-Out, D.R.I., Charles Bronson, Kung-Fu Rick, and so on.
You can even download Crucial Unit and Scholastic Deth's respective discographies from their websites. Linkage is below:

An Overview of Power Violence
http://www.decibelmagazine.com/featu...rviolence.aspx

Scholastic Deth's homepage
http://www.geocities.com/scholasticdeth/

Crucial Unit's homepage
http://www.crucialunit.net/

And a whole mess of myspace/youtube:
http://www.myspace.com/badacidtrip2
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...iendid=6274881
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endID=38120091
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6kJ2qmD-K4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYPMFsPc5eA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Wpo7fsHXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbm6HZ-SOsM

And yeah, Grindcore is good stuff.

lol but see, the beginning was totally just "listen to Power-Violence and Thrash-core ". Not all punk is crap, cuz i happen to like DRI. But I mean, like people crap themselves over 7 Seconds and I'm like "yea, four notes. Whole song." a friend of mine obsessive over this style just can't handle those days are over where like putting the minimum on the table is respectable.

[Deluge Of Sound]

Check out the Bad Acid Trip myspace and the last couple youtube links I posted, I feel like they might be exactly what you're looking for.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Minor Threat did exactly what they wanted to do, im sure your not too familiar with them, but the guys in Minor Threat were and still are amazingly good musicians, REM (i think it was) wanted Brian Baker to play guitar for them . . .

Punk music is what it is.

This isnt a technical p*****g contest, its two different styles of music.

And, me and the guitarist in my punk band both have ordinary degrees in biochemistry, currently doing our honours years, our drummer has an honours degree in microbiology, so, smarts have nothing to do with it

Play what you love to play


And none of our songs are about the man bringing us down


And for the record, i cant stand Grind, if you want metal, THIS is metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=354MU3l-25M


(im in a metal band aswell as a punk band, so can quite easily say neither is smarter, they are just both different)

[Bryan316]

Hmm. Interesting topic.


While I can't vouch for all flavors of metal, I can say the stuff I'm listening to definitely takes a smarter audience to appreciate it. Dream Theater, King's X, Pagan's Mind, Symphony X, older Queensryche, Rage, Blind Guardian, Manticora... it's very challenging stuff to listen to, let alone play! No high-school level guitar work here like in punk rock. In punk, if you know basic power chords and built up your speed and endurance, you're fine, that's it. In the kind of metal I listen to, you better know your music theory, better have a very solid command of your instrument, must handle some serious time sig and tempo changes, polyrhythms, accurate challenging riffs, awkward key shifts... complex, challenging stuff.

Examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHp0koLbJQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qOcn9D71kM Try to follow the drum line for this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTp2BopNZFI Let's just call this one what it is: inhuman and impossible!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1596ZrDtDpE Greatest metal act to not gain any fanbase in America



I already know none of you will watch any of these, but screw it, I'm posting them anyway or I wouldn't be doing my job.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Music is about expression, how you choose to express that has no bearing on your actual talent. IMO


on the note of smartness, i'd say what you listed is more about a technical appreciation for music as opposed to smartness.


Otherwise i'd be dumber whilst listening to punk, but smarter whilst listening to jazz

[Bryan316]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

Music is about expression, how you choose to express that has no bearing on your actual talent. IMO

There is a difference in good music and bad music, just as much as there is a difference between good art and bad art. If there was no such thing as bad music or bad art, there wouldn't be starving artists and every painter's work would be just as valuable as the Mona Lisa. We all know this to be quite untrue.

There most certainly are more talented musicians or artists than others. Or else every crap garage band would have a record deal.

[Jezz8me]

punk does not require technical ability because that is not the soul of the music. it is for most metal, good bands at least.

Just get into metalcore if you want the transition between metal and punk, well hardcore punk.

Oh and have you ever heard of Mathcore? It is a sub genre of hardcore punk i guess. Bands like Converge. If you wan't speed, technicality and utter ape feces madness look no further.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by Bryan316

There is a difference in good music and bad music, just as much as there is a difference between good art and bad art. If there was no such thing as bad music or bad art, there wouldn't be starving artists and every painter's work would be just as valuable as the Mona Lisa. We all know this to be quite untrue.

There most certainly are more talented musicians or artists than others. Or else every crap garage band would have a record deal.

I completelly agree there, but you get good and bad in all genres. Having no technical ability is bad in any genre, while having too much can make a song just as bad

Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgNhR9oisM

Originally Posted by Jezz8me

Just get into metalcore if you want the transition between metal and punk, well hardcore punk.

Metalcore . . . Hardcore . . . not the same! aarrrrgggg

[Bryan316]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

I completelly agree there, but you get good and bad in all genres. Having no technical ability is bad in any genre, while having too much can make a song just as bad

Case in point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BgNhR9oisM

Oh god, not THEM again...

Okay... how do we classify them? Cuz, yes, phenomenal playing skill, helluva lot of musical talent...

HEART. That's it. They got no HEART. They're putting too much cranium into it, not enough guts into it. Take all that mad crazy ability, and put it into a SOOOONG! Not just a wankfest, a SONG with some soul and meaning and a catchy hook amidst all that fretboard masturbation! Give me awesomeness, with some tangible melody I can grasp and hum along to! I can hum along to Dream Theater songs, I can't hum this diddly-bobbiddy poodeeleedoomeetee squeedly meedly for 5 minutes straight!!!

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Lol, me either.

They go in my "mute" genre

[ElectrAcoustic]

The OP question is IMO like the pot asking the kettle who's more white..

[Bryan316]

I'd rather the kettle was white, than tye-dyed!







Or beads and bellbottoms and Birkenstocks and flowers in its hair...

[ElectrAcoustic]

Ok, how about if it's like two broke-a$$ dirty junkies asking who's the best-dressed and has the cleanest teeth.. that should be a more accurate analogy to the question..

[dancehallclasher]

There are different kinds of intelligence. But you seem to be in a generalizing frame of mind, so I'll just say you're wrong. Playing quickly and technically is an ability; so is being a good athlete, operating heavy machinery, fishing, and driving really well. I'm sure there are idiots who are good at all of them.

[santucci218]

if you guys keep knocking Behold..The Arctopus, im going to have to start buying plane tickets..

They play what they want to play and they like it. They are definitly not the worst band in the world thats for sure. You cant knock a band for having no heart when #1 you probably dont listen to them that much and #2 you dont even know the guys.

[Bryan316]

For their type of extreme metal, Scale the Summit rips them to shreds.


As well as Spiral Architect.


Not to mention that guy Chuck.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Bryan316

Hmm. Interesting topic.


While I can't vouch for all flavors of metal, I can say the stuff I'm listening to definitely takes a smarter audience to appreciate it. Dream Theater, King's X, Pagan's Mind, Symphony X, older Queensryche, Rage, Blind Guardian, Manticora... it's very challenging stuff to listen to, let alone play! No high-school level guitar work here like in punk rock. In punk, if you know basic power chords and built up your speed and endurance, you're fine, that's it. In the kind of metal I listen to, you better know your music theory, better have a very solid command of your instrument, must handle some serious time sig and tempo changes, polyrhythms, accurate challenging riffs, awkward key shifts... complex, challenging stuff.

Examples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTp2BopNZFI Let's just call this one what it is: inhuman and impossible!




I already know none of you will watch any of these, but screw it, I'm posting them anyway or I wouldn't be doing my job.

HERE'S WHAT I THINK OF YOU AND YOUR PATRUCCI!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uea8k5sJ5qg

as for the "two different musics"....ehhh that's not the issue. What can you tell the bands that stepped out of the line of the soul of the music? that they're NOT punk?
It's always fascinated me we've invented punk metal, but we deny it. OH NO, that's not PUNK METAL it's CROSSOVER

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by ElectrAcoustic

Ok, how about if it's like two broke-a$$ dirty junkies asking who's the best-dressed and has the cleanest teeth.. that should be a more accurate analogy to the question..

lol YES, WELL THERE STILL HAS TO BE A DECISION!