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10-03-2008, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Article University renames 'gents' as 'toilets with urinals' - to avoid upsetting transgender students
Anyone caught short at Manchester University will have to decide whether to use the 'toilets' or the 'toilets with urinals' after the women's and men's were re-named to avoided offending transgender students.
The change was made in the university's Students' Union after a number of transgender women claimed they were uncomfortable using men’s loos.
A sign reading 'Toilets with urinals' was duly placed over the traditional 'stick man' symbol while a 'Toilets' sign replaced the women's graphic.
The university’s women's officer Jennie Killip told the student newspaper, Student Direct: 'Toilets are very much, you know, for boys and for girls, so we’ve taken away that overtly gendered aspect.
'A trans-student who does not identify themselves as a man would have to face abuse and violence if they used the "other" toilet.'
Speaking to the BBC, she said: 'If you were born female, still present quite feminine, but define as a man you should be able to go into the men's toilets - if that's how you define.
'You don't necessarily have had to have gender reassignment surgery, but you could just define yourself as a man, feel very masculine in yourself, feel that in fact being a woman is not who you are.'
But some female students said they were unhappy with the decision.
One said: 'Girls might not want to use the same toilets as boys, so then you just end up with people complaining about that - so you can't really win.'
Another said: ‘I personally wouldn't want to be in the same toilet as a man."
The university’s newspaper last week criticised the new ‘gender-neutral’ facilities.
Almost 60 people, including Ms Killip, have signed a letter to the student newspaper criticising the editorial. Newspaper spokeswoman Susannah Birkwood said: 'The toilets have been provided for men who don't self identify as men and women who don't think of themselves as women.
'Whether or not this is political correctness gone mad… it certainly seems that way to some members of our student community.'
Writing on the paper's website one angry student said:
'I agree that this is a complete waste of time and money. I am sure the Union will now be flooded with complains from its female students about the state the toilets are left in by the men.'
It is unknown how many transgender or transexual students attend the university, nor how many had complained. | Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-students.html
This is posted for those who want to get outraged at the poltical correctness of society. The real story can be read here. 
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10-03-2008, 03:37 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: West Midlands, U.K. | | | Knowing a couple of people involved with manchester SU, this may have been a bit of a joke, I know it would have been at my uni. Having said that the LGBT groups do like to make a fuss sometimes.
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10-03-2008, 03:39 AM
|  | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Why does it not surprise me that is from the Daily Mail.... 
It is solely there for "middle englanders" to get annoyed at something - it has no other purpose!!
Just don't buy the Daily Mail!!!
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10-03-2008, 03:42 AM
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Also, glad to see MSU is still mixing it up.
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10-03-2008, 04:02 AM
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10-03-2008, 05:02 AM
|  | (((o))) Moderator | | Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium | | I thought George Micheal got caught in a public toilet...AGAIN!
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10-03-2008, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Vorago  I thought George Micheal got caught in a public toilet...AGAIN!
O wait, he was! | I wonder if autograph seekers line up outside of public toilets now.
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10-03-2008, 06:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Leeds, UK | | | This is brilliant. It really shows the difference between the Mail and the Guardian. It also shows exactly why I read the Guardian.
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10-03-2008, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Latimour | You are born male or female. You want to dress like a woman, fine, but you must deal with the practicalities of that in modern society and not expect everyone to bow down to your every whim. |
10-03-2008, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by LCMBassist You are born male or female. . | What about hermaphrodites?
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10-03-2008, 06:44 AM
|  | That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it.. | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Robbinsville, NJ | | The Daily Mail is only accurate when it's US-bashing of course! 
"outrage" sells though even if it's artificially created. People should know better by now given the crap that's reported by some US outlets as well as the Mail, but we all seem to like the taste of a little outrage along with our coffee and rice krispies.
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10-03-2008, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield What about hermaphrodites? | I believe they use this one: 
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10-03-2008, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield What about hermaphrodites? | Surely they can choose which gender they want to be, and follow that gender? I've never really looked at the exact biology of a hermaphrodite, and im not sure I want to :-S Depends if they pee from their male parts of female parts. A guy who peed from his female parts could just sit down like a woman does.....but a woman who peed from her male parts would probably be wise to just use the cubicles in the female toilets....I guess. |
10-03-2008, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic The Daily Mail is only accurate when it's US-bashing of course!
"outrage" sells though even if it's artificially created. People should know better by now given the crap that's reported by some US outlets as well as the Mail, but we all seem to like the taste of a little outrage along with our coffee and rice krispies. |
Well, no - it's never accurate and personally I would never give this stuff house-room!!
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10-03-2008, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DigMe I wonder if autograph seekers line up outside of public toilets now.
bc | Crude. deleted. Sorry.
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10-03-2008, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LCMBassist You are born male or female. . | Quote:
Originally Posted by LCMBassist Surely they can choose which gender they want to be, and follow that gender? | I'm not interested in the practicalities, it was a rhetorical question - I was just pointing out the flaw in what you said before - see above!
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10-03-2008, 06:57 AM
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10-03-2008, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Happynoj This is brilliant. It really shows the difference between the Mail and the Guardian.. . | That's easy - the Guardian is a good newspaper.
And the Mail isn't!!
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10-03-2008, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield That's easy - the Guardian is a good newspaper.
And the Mail isn't!! | Pah!
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Local newspapers - 1
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10-03-2008, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Twinxkel Nope...more like they pop "it" thru the hole and say "Hey Mike, before you 'get to work' couldja 'sign' this?" | Fixed. 
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