My Pirates Were Robbed!!!!

Jeff K · #1 07-27-2011, 08:57 AM

ROBBED, I tell 'ya!!! What a cheap way to lose a game. They battled for 19 innings with the Braves, then the home plate umpire blows a call at the plate to give the Braves the win.

The Atlanta runner was beaten by 3 steps; the tag was made by the catcher; and the umpire calls him safe. If they lose legitimately, it's easier to take; but a blown call like that leaves a bitter taste. Yeah, I know - it happens all the time. But in a 19 inning, over 7 hour game, it would have been nice to have a more legitimate ending. Okay, I'll move on now.

(Sigh...)

**jmattbassplaya** · #2 07-27-2011, 09:00 AM

19 innings? Yikes. That's a whole lot of boring to sit through just to lose. I'd be mad, too.

MJ5150 · #3 07-27-2011, 09:17 AM

Yes, that was a bummer. I posted my opinion in the MLB thread of the call. Yeah, it sucks, but we had 19 other innings to try and score one run.

-Mike

hover · #4 07-27-2011, 09:33 AM

Man, I initially read this as "My privates were robbed"...man that was a whole 'nother thread.

fhm555 · #5 07-27-2011, 11:02 AM

baseball...if it was any slower it would be called farming...

Pilgrim · #6 07-27-2011, 12:14 PM

Time for Bud Selig to expire and MLB to institute replay for that kind of play.

Yes, you were robbed.

I have watched it multiple times and I can't see any other way to call it than the tag was made on the runner's knee. The ump had a better angle than the cameras, but it dang sure looked like a tag to me.

kesslari · #7 07-27-2011, 12:26 PM

Baseball is a world of blown calls. That one especially hurt, after 19 innings. Still, Mike has a good point.

I don't know how to properly add instant replay to baseball without killing the game. My thought (though I don't get to vote) is that each manager gets 1 replay call - they can call for instant replay on 1 and only 1 play of each game. With only one, they won't be likely to use it lightly.
But that's just me.

GrooveWarrior · #8 07-27-2011, 12:58 PM

Of all the blown calls this year, this one was the most likely to have been the right call. The replay certainly wasn't definitive whether he tagged him or not. The catcher was totally at fault on this for making a sweeping tag and raising his arm in the air. Put your mitt in the guys gut when he is that far from the plate, and we wouldn't be discussing this. Bonehead play by the catcher, and I think it's possible he was safe.

I'm not a Braves fan, BTW. Reds all the way!!!

MJ5150 · #9 07-27-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Time for Bud Selig to expire ......

On a side note, Bud Selig is the highest paid commissioner of the four major sports leagues in the USA. He is almost double the next guy behind him, the devil Goodell.

-Mike

kesslari · #10 07-27-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

On a side note, Bud Selig is the highest paid commissioner of the four major sports leagues in the USA. He is almost double the next guy behind him, the devil Goodell.

-Mike

Selig's fat salary was essentially funded by steroids... which he conveniently ignored, until it was convenient not to.

Jeff K · #11 07-27-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GrooveWarrior

Of all the blown calls this year, this one was the most likely to have been the right call. The replay certainly wasn't definitive whether he tagged him or not. The catcher was totally at fault on this for making a sweeping tag and raising his arm in the air. Put your mitt in the guys gut when he is that far from the plate, and we wouldn't be discussing this. Bonehead play by the catcher, and I think it's possible he was safe.

I'm not a Braves fan, BTW. Reds all the way!!!

First of all, I admit that there is no guarantee that the Pirates would have WON the game if the runner was called out. After all, the Braves still would get last bats as the home team. But they (the Pirates) wouldn't have LOST the game on a bad call.

And yes, I believe it was a bad call. I've seen several sports shows today and haven't heard one commentator say that it was not a bad call. And how is it a bonehead play by the catcher? The reason the catcher was so quick to jump up was because he was looking for the possibility of a double play. He was already certain that he had the out at home, and was looking for more. He had the plate blocked, made the tag, and was looking for a DP.

The Pirates have filed a formal complaint about the call. ESPN calls it a "clearly blown call". Buster Olney says that blown calls like this one demonstrate the need for replay. So my point is that while there is no guarantee that the Pirates would have gone on to win the game, it sucks to "lose" it on a call like that. But yes, I know that it's just one game; and that bad calls happen to every team on occasion. It's the 19 innings and 7+ hours that makes this particular call so bad. I guess the umpire had lost his edge by then too...

Jeff K · #12 07-27-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

Yes, that was a bummer. I posted my opinion in the MLB thread of the call. Yeah, it sucks, but we had 19 other innings to try and score one run.

-Mike

True, but so did Atlanta. And the one that they did "score", I don't view as legitimate.

GrooveWarrior · #13 07-27-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff K

And yes, I believe it was a bad call. I've seen several sports shows today and haven't heard one commentator say that it was not a bad call. And how is it a bonehead play by the catcher? The reason the catcher was so quick to jump up was because he was looking for the possibility of a double play. He was already certain that he had the out at home, and was looking for more. He had the plate blocked, made the tag, and was looking for a DP.

The Pirates have filed a formal complaint about the call. ESPN calls it a "clearly blown call". Buster Olney says that blown calls like this one demonstrate the need for replay. So my point is that while there is no guarantee that the Pirates would have gone on to win the game, it sucks to "lose" it on a call like that. But yes, I know that it's just one game; and that bad calls happen to every team on occasion. It's the 19 innings and 7+ hours that makes this particular call so bad. I guess the umpire had lost his edge by then too...

The catcher wasn't looking for a DP. I just watched the video again, and he jumps up and turns directly toward the home plate ump to look for the call. If he was sure he tagged the runner he would have already been throwing to get the runner. It was clear he wasn't even sure, or he wouldn't have turned and looked at the ump. The other runner didn't even matter at that point. Stopping the run is job 1. In the replay's, he may have grazed the runners pants. When the runner is that dead to rights, I don't know how you conclude that the catcher didn't blow it.

As for filing a complaint, it's lip service to the fans. It means nothing in the end.

As for people losing their edge after 9 innings, I think that is exactly what happened. The catcher is the prime example of this.

Jeff K · #14 07-27-2011, 02:25 PM

Well, we're just gonna' disagree on this one. IMO, the catcher made a good play. The umpire did not.

**yodedude2** · #15 07-27-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kesslari

<snip> My thought (though I don't get to vote) is that each manager gets 1 replay call - they can call for instant replay on 1 and only 1 play of each game. With only one, they won't be likely to use it lightly.
But that's just me.

good start. if the replay (challenge) is upheld, the manager gets to keep his challenge--if not, it's lost for the rest of the game.

also, they would need a 'replay umpire'--let's not have the guy who blew the call in the first place have to overcome his ego and reverse his own call.

after about 5 years and a whole bunch of blown replay calls, it could work...

mrpackerguy · #16 07-27-2011, 04:17 PM

pillaged and plundered it would seem.

Turock · #17 07-27-2011, 04:35 PM

I can't see them reversing this if they wouldn't reverse the decision on the guy who was robbed of a perfect game.

superbassman2000 · #18 07-27-2011, 05:09 PM

while not a baseball fan, I saw the clip and wow that was a terrible call by the ump--do they get fined for stuff like that?

beggar98 · #19 07-27-2011, 05:50 PM

I hate to say it, because I think it was a blown call, but even if there had been replay like they have in the NFL the call would have stood. There was simply no "indisputable visual evidence" that the tag was applied. In a situation where the catcher has the runner beat by that much he needs to make sure there is zero chance of the runner reaching the plate, tag or not. Swipe tags are for losers named Jeter who are scared of mixing it up.

GrooveWarrior · #20 07-27-2011, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beggar98

I hate to say it, because I think it was a blown call, but even if there had been replay like they have in the NFL the call would have stood. There was simply no "indisputable visual evidence" that the tag was applied. In a situation where the catcher has the runner beat by that much he needs to make sure there is zero chance of the runner reaching the plate, tag or not. Swipe tags are for losers named Jeter who are scared of mixing it up.

Thank you.