"NC teen suspended from school for wearing a nose ring.

[cassanova]

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...hion_its_faith


I'm not particularly fond of nose rings but if people want to wear them, that's their choice not mine and certainly not a school boards. I don't think it's right that this kid was suspended for wearing a nose ring.

I can understand having something of a dress code in public schools, but for the school board to tell people they can't wear nose rings seems a bit excessive, and to me, seems a bit like Nazism as well as an abuse of their power and boundaries. Then again, I'm also calling big time crap on the Church of Body Modification as actually being a legitimate religious organization.

Even though this kid's claiming it violates her 1st amendment rights, I'm not intending to turn this into a religious debate because IMO it's more about school boards and other organizations over stepping their boundaries and abusing their power by taking certain things a bit too far.

[blendermassacre]

I'm not trying to be stupid here, but if her school's dress code outlawed facial piercings, it's pretty cut and dried, IMO.

[Phalex]

The Church Of Body Modification??

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Surely it has to be a recognised religion for her to cry foul?

Nazism being racism and antisemitism, I don't exactly see how that fits. I'm guessing you were meaning facism (generically) .

What about workplaces where people are asked not to wear facial piercings, is that facism aswell?

I'm betting there is more to it that is being said (isn't there always). She also sounds like a bit of a ****. If she is being anywhere near serious about her so-called religious convictions, she's probably a few steps short of the looneybin.

[Simo98]

Originally Posted by cassanova

I'm not particularly fond of nose rings but if people want to wear them, that's their choice not mine and certainly not a school boards. I don't think it's right that this kid was suspended for wearing a nose ring.

I can understand having something of a dress code in public schools, but for the school board to tell people they can't wear nose rings seems a bit excessive, and to me, seems a bit like Nazism as well as an abuse of their power and boundaries.

I have never been to a school that allows piercings other than simple ear studs, or clear studs to keep the holes open while you are at school. Some don't enforce it all that much, however at the school I went to for most of my schooling, there would have been two options if you had showed up with a nose ring; take it out, or go home.

The reason being that I believe they are classified as a safety hazard as they can become stuck all manner of things, they are also not a part of the uniform, and are considered to mar the public image of the school.


Not saying that I agree with it, however I can see why they do it. Sure, a simple stud in the nose is barely visible and hardly a health risk, however where do you draw the line, if sally is allowed a small nose stud, why can't little johnny had a nose ring 2" in diameter, after all, they are both nose rings.

At the end of the day, it is school policy, and do my knowledge they have every right to set that as they see fit, and enforce it. If the rules say no nose rings, that means no nose rings.

[nutdog]

Give me nose ring or give me death!

I can hear the founding father's cry.

[cassanova]

Originally Posted by blendermassacre

I'm not trying to be stupid here, but if her school's dress code outlawed facial piercings, it's pretty cut and dried, IMO.

I agree with you on the whole cut and dry issue, but IMO things like nose rings are against dress codes because those in power simply do not like them. I accredit it to being a generation type gap issue.

It doesn't fit the older generations social norms/guidelines, and they find it visually offensive, so they IMO try to enforce their will on those they feel are powerless to stop it, the students.

Earrings are a body modification but those are acceptable to the school board, what about belly button rings? How about students with tattoos? Hell, kids are even allowed to walk around school with their pants drooping 1/2 way down their ass showing their underwear, but a nose ring isn't acceptable?

Ex: Back in my day, ripped jeans were against the dress code. (Sounds silly I know) Students began to rebel against it by wearing them. We'd get suspended but would wear them again anyway when we came back. Long story short, you'd never know that policy was in place by my senior year.

One thing I'd like to know is, what kind of parent lets their 14 year old kid get a piercing like that anyways? Maybe I'm just getting old, but if me or my friends wanted anything like tats, earrings, etc, we had to wait until we were 18. Most parents I know today still impose that rule.

[cassanova]

Originally Posted by Simo98

The reason being that I believe they are classified as a safety hazard as they can become stuck all manner of things

As can long dangling earrings and other "acceptable" jewelry. I find it very unlikely that someone with a septum piercing the size of something that you'd use on a Brahma bull has any more or less chance of getting caught on things than a long earring would.

At the end of the day, it is school policy, and do my knowledge they have every right to set that as they see fit, and enforce it. If the rules say no nose rings, that means no nose rings.

School boards are elected by the people of the district. That does not grant them the right to determine what is acceptable or unacceptable. That lies on the parents within the district and I highly doubt that any parents were asked their opinion on nose rings before the policy was put in place, though I could be wrong on the parents not being asked.

Again, I'm not a fan of nose rings and do favor some sort of dress code, such as kids not having 1/2 their ass and tits hanging out of their cloths, wearing bikini's and other things like that, but see no harm in a student wearing a nose ring. They're there to learn and to some degree also help develop their sense of identity. A nose ring for some is them developing their sense of self identity.

Originally Posted by Phalex

The Church Of Body Modification??

LOL, that's pretty much exactly what I did when I read that.

[blendermassacre]

Originally Posted by cassanova

I agree with you on the whole cut and dry issue, but IMO things like nose rings are against dress codes because those in power simply do not like them. I accredit it to being a generation type gap issue.

It doesn't fit the older generations social norms/guidelines, and they find it visually offensive, so they IMO try to enforce their will on those they feel are powerless to stop it, the students.

Earrings are a body modification but those are acceptable to the school board, what about belly button rings? How about students with tattoos?

Ex: Back in my day, ripped jeans were against the dress code. (Sounds silly I know) Students began to rebel against it by wearing them. We'd get suspended but would wear them again anyway when we came back. Long story short, you'd never know that policy was in place by my senior year.

One thing I'd like to know is, what kind of parent lets their 14 year old kid get a piercing like that anyways? Maybe I'm just getting old, but if me or my friends wanted anything like tats, earrings, etc, we had to wait until we were 18. Most parents I know today still impose that rule.

I'm sure the reason is because they don't want to have to differentiate between a non-issue nose stud and a huge septum piercing or bridge (of the nose) piercing or crazy piercings that i don't even know about. Those go from form of expression to distraction pretty quickly, especially for 15 year old kids.

this is also coming from a guy with his septum pierced and a bunch of tattoos.

[CrispyDelicious]

Years after taking out my 10g septum ring, I still occasionally poke things through it to freak out prudes. I can't wait to be 90 years old, suspending hangers from my nose for the amusement of little children.

[BassChuck]

More than the nose ring is the pressure on schools to be one thing or another. You hear about whole facultys being fired because the school doesn't 'perform' up to standards that are imposed by legislators and public intrest groups. If schools are going to take the heat for what progress students make and what the end results are, then they should (IMO) have a right to control the environment of the school.

If, extremely body jewelry is a distraction to the learning process (and there are more than a few extreme examples out there) the line has to be drawn on what is allowed in school. Simply put, it's easier to say NO to any of it rather than to try to find a 'happy medium'.

In the end, school is for learning and training for the students future, not a fashion show. Let them dress it up for The Mall if they feel a need.

[MakiSupaStar]

Oh no you didn't.

[TheVoiceless]

Originally Posted by cassanova

http://www.rr.com/news/topic/article...hion_its_faith


I'm not particularly fond of nose rings but if people want to wear them, that's their choice not mine and certainly not a school boards. I don't think it's right that this kid was suspended for wearing a nose ring.

I can understand having something of a dress code in public schools, but for the school board to tell people they can't wear nose rings seems a bit excessive, and to me, seems a bit like Nazism as well as an abuse of their power and boundaries. Then again, I'm also calling big time crap on the Church of Body Modification as actually being a legitimate religious organization.

Even though this kid's claiming it violates her 1st amendment rights, I'm not intending to turn this into a religious debate because IMO it's more about school boards and other organizations over stepping their boundaries and abusing their power by taking certain things a bit too far.

1000000000000000000000% agreed. Bottom line as a nation we are so hypocritical. We invade nations in the name of freedoms, yet we have our hand in every aspect of every Americans life.

Let me guess, a nose ring can now be used as a weapon. How bout this suspend all the people with bad hair cuts. Man I am sick of looking at people with bad hair.

[sloasdaylight]

Originally Posted by TheVoiceless

1000000000000000000000% agreed. Bottom line as a nation we are so hypocritical. We invade nations in the name of freedoms, yet we have our hand in every aspect of every Americans life.

Let me guess, a nose ring can now be used as a weapon. How bout this suspend all the people with bad hair cuts. Man I am sick of looking at people with bad hair.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also this:

Originally Posted by The Article

A similar situation to the Iaconos' went to the courts in 2002, when a woman was fired from her job at a Costco store over her eyebrow ring. The woman was also a member of the Church of Body Modification, but the courts eventually ruled that her religious beliefs did not require her to always wear her jewelry.

[Stanley Design]

Just for reference, I found a copy of that school's dress code.

http://downloads.microscribepub.com/...inter/4220.pdf

It does seem really excessive, "No overly long belts!!" "No 'in memory of...' shirts!!!" "No rolled up pant legs!!!"

I can completely understand these kind of dress codes at a private school. Public schools should not have that kind of control on your appearance.

[CrashClint]

Being my son went to NC schools and used to have a problem keeping his pants pulled up. I know my son was warned about his pants on a couple occasions as I was emailed from the teacher before he was sent home. I went through his closet and pulled all of his pants that were not his waist size to fix the problem.

Schools have the right to have a dress code and they can ban anything they deem offensive. Like length of shorts, dresses, tube tops how much stomach can show and how far the pants hang down. What they can't control is the brand of shoes, jeans or shirts as long as they are not offensive logos or print.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by Stanley Design

Just for reference, I found a copy of that school's dress code.

http://downloads.microscribepub.com/...inter/4220.pdf

It does seem really excessive, "No overly long belts!!" "No 'in memory of...' shirts!!!" "No rolled up pant legs!!!"

I can completely understand these kind of dress codes at a private school. Public schools should not have that kind of control on your appearance.

We have the same rules at the school I teach at. The belts, memoriam shirts, and rolled up pant legs are specific for a reason. The memoriam shirts are pretty common in areas with gangs. Often they are done in the gang's colors, and often they cause conflict. The rolled up pants are used to carry drugs, as are shoes with extra socks packed behind the tongues. The long belts were a style a while ago, but they became dangerous when a kid got one stuck in a bus door and the bus started pulling away.

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by cassanova

School boards are elected by the people of the district. That does not grant them the right to determine what is acceptable or unacceptable.

Knowing that the school board sets this kind of policy, I'd say the parents did exactly that when they elected them.

Mike

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

We have the same rules at the school I teach at. The belts, memoriam shirts, and rolled up pant legs are specific for a reason. The memoriam shirts are pretty common in areas with gangs. Often they are done in the gang's colors, and often they cause conflict. The rolled up pants are used to carry drugs, as are shoes with extra socks packed behind the tongues. The long belts were a style a while ago, but they became dangerous when a kid got one stuck in a bus door and the bus started pulling away.

But what about their FREEDOOOOOOOOOOMS?!?!?!?!?!?!



Mike

[MakiSupaStar]

These rules are not really created because of the people who get their work done, don't cause a lot of distractions, and generally stay below the radar. These rules are created to limit liability and to dumb things down for the idiots. Sure, most people can wear a simple hoop or stud lip/nose ring without much distraction at all. But when you get the idiots involved, the hoops get ridiculous, and you've got kids piercing each other's lips at lunch in unsanitary conditions. This leads to class distractions (I can't tell you how many of my dummy kids sit there twisting their piercing while staring off into space, not to mention the kids staring at them staring off into space), as well as eventually time out of class because of infections. I've seen all these situations. So, you have to make rules for the lowest common denominator. No piercings. Done.