NCAA Football 2012 - Week 13

[GregC]

Originally Posted by Eublet

This explains everything.

LOL!

Hmm, records against the others in that pic:

Bama: 1-1
A&M: 1-2
UF: 3-1
UGA: 1-1
SCe: 1-2
LSU: 2-2

Just sayin'.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Oh, and do we really know Muschamp anyway?

I love that one! Can't remember the game or the context right now, but I remember the player totally deserved it.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by Eublet

This is one of those things that just makes me distrust the media completely on all kinds of issues, because they took something Saban said out of context, put it on the news, gave it a spin for Muschamp, and then waited to see if they could get a response back. If I weren't such an Alabama fan that follows pretty much every press conference Saban has, word for word, then I would think this was Saban whining also.

Essentially, here's what REALLY happened. Florida is a dead-lock for the Sugar Bowl regardless of what happens in the BCS championship game. This was not the case last year at all. Both teams going into the SECCG were playing for a BCS game...LSU for both the national title, and Georgia for the Sugar. If LSU won, then they'd be going to the title game. If Georgia won, then they'd have a shot at the Sugar. Either way, both teams playing for a big bowl to cap off a great season.

This year, like Saban said, is not a great scenario since Florida is already a dead-lock for the Sugar Bowl regardless of the outcome of the game. That's all he was saying. I'm sure Muschamp would love to switch spots but that's not the context of what Saban was saying at all. He just wishes that the loser of the SECCG, whoever it is, would be awarded the top spot in the automatic bid to the Sugar Bowl if the winner goes on to the NC game. Even applied to last year, that comment still makes sense.

Bah, this sounds like massaging to me. For both Bama last year and UF this year, they get to go to a prestigious game without playing another down--only Bama got to go to the NC last year.

And the fact of the matter is, the BCS still has another bowl slot for an SEC team--the Cotton--so there's no reason for the gnashing of teeth. If LSU gets it ahead of the loser of the SEC title game, then complain.

More importantly, Saban is totally ignoring the excellent reason UF is a lock for the Sugar--they have the best resume of anyone, period. They've beaten 4 of the current top 13 teams in the BCS, no one else comes close. On top of that, their one loss was to a higher-ranked team than either Bama or Georgia's loss. That's a more impressive track record than Bama had last year, as a matter of fact.

In short, Saban's being hypocritical in my view.

[MJ5150]

Is Miles going to take the Arkansas job?

-Mike

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Is Miles going to take the Arkansas job?

-Mike

No, but Les should send the AD of Arkansas a nice fruit basket for the couple million he just made him.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by GregC

LOL!

Hmm, records against the others in that pic:

Bama: 1-1
A&M: 1-2
UF: 3-1
UGA: 1-1
SCe: 1-2
LSU: 2-2

Just sayin'.

Yeah, this is one of the issues with cross-divisional games...they can really help you, really hurt you, or just flat out not matter at all. It's debatable which one of those is Florida this year, but being #4 probably wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

Also, you guys wouldn't have beaten A&M a month later either. I'm just sayin' back at ya.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by GregC

Bah, this sounds like massaging to me. For both Bama last year and UF this year, they get to go to a prestigious game without playing another down--only Bama got to go to the NC last year.

And the fact of the matter is, the BCS still has another bowl slot for an SEC team--the Cotton--so there's no reason for the gnashing of teeth. If LSU gets it ahead of the loser of the SEC title game, then complain.

More importantly, Saban is totally ignoring the excellent reason UF is a lock for the Sugar--they have the best resume of anyone, period. They've beaten 4 of the current top 13 teams in the BCS, no one else comes close. On top of that, their one loss was to a higher-ranked team than either Bama or Georgia's loss. That's a more impressive track record than Bama had last year, as a matter of fact.

In short, Saban's being hypocritical in my view.

See, I don't see him being hypocritical at all. Seems to me he was just rambling, and said it's not a good scenario, and that whatever the result, it's not something he can feel good about either way. I think that's fair enough. He certainly wasn't wishing for anything for Muschamp to retort the way he did, but then again those two are very close so I'm sure it was just good humor.

[Eublet]

[GregC]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Yeah, this is one of the issues with cross-divisional games...they can really help you, really hurt you, or just flat out not matter at all. It's debatable which one of those is Florida this year, but being #4 probably wouldn't have been possible otherwise.

Also, you guys wouldn't have beaten A&M a month later either. I'm just sayin' back at ya.

Hehe, you could very well be right and I've certainly thought about that. Then again, UF had to play A&M in College Station, and with zero film on Manziel or the offense in general.

Originally Posted by Eublet

See, I don't see him being hypocritical at all. Seems to me he was just rambling, and said it's not a good scenario, and that whatever the result, it's not something he can feel good about either way. I think that's fair enough. He certainly wasn't wishing for anything for Muschamp to retort the way he did, but then again those two are very close so I'm sure it was just good humor.

It probably is more of an inside thing, true. But had he said last year he felt bad about Bama getting to the NC, it would have been more consistent.

For the record, I am rooting for Bama vs UGA and (potentially) ND.

[MJ5150]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Also, you guys wouldn't have beaten A&M a month later either.

Nope, UF would have blown their doors off.

-Mike

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster

Part of the attraction for Notre Dame to be in the National championship game is that no other team has the "negative draw" that ND has.

Saw an interesting discussion on this on ESPNU this afternoon. The thesis was that so many people want the SEC to lose the NCS game that even Notre Dame is picking up large numbers of unlikely fans. To me it's another "no dog in this" deal, but I'll still probably watch at home in case I fall asleep again like I did last year.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

Nope, UF would have blown their doors off.

-Mike

[MJ5150]

I read your post mister. I agree, Florida would not have just beat A&M a month later. Florida would have done more than beat A&M, they would have blown their (A&M) doors off. If you aren't familiar with the expression "blow their doors off", it means defeat by a large margin, win easily. I'm sure you know the expression, just having a little fun with ya.

Wait a minute, didn't Alabama lose at home to A&M?

-Mike

[Eublet]

I know...that gif just makes me laugh and needed a reason to post it.

[MJ5150]

I predict Charlie Strong is going to be the next head coach of the Auburn University football team.

Oh...GIF's don't seem to work on the Android app, so I won't be able to see that until later on tonight. I'm sure it's funny, you always bring the funny ones.

-Mike

[Eublet]

Strong will be a great hire! I'm a big fan of his.

[Eublet]

Interesting demographic that is only shocking perhaps if you don't live in the South.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

I predict Charlie Strong is going to be the next head coach of the Auburn University football team.

Originally Posted by Eublet

Strong will be a great hire! I'm a big fan of his.

I hope Charlie gets the gig, too.

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

I read your post mister. I agree, Florida would not have just beat A&M a month later. Florida would have done more than beat A&M, they would have blown their (A&M) doors off. If you aren't familiar with the expression "blow their doors off", it means defeat by a large margin, win easily. I'm sure you know the expression, just having a little fun with ya.

Wait a minute, didn't Alabama lose at home to A&M?

-Mike

As much a Florida fan as I am, I don't think Florida would have beat A&M a month later because that was when Florida was the most injury bitten. Injuries along the offensive line were why Florida's offensive production dropped off. Now if we are playing hypothetical, and Florida was full strength and A&M had a month more experience then I would take Florida. Here however we see exactly why hypotheticals don't matter only games played do.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Tractorr

As much a Florida fan as I am, I don't think Florida would have beat A&M a month later because that was when Florida was the most injury bitten. Injuries along the offensive line were why Florida's offensive production dropped off. Now if we are playing hypothetical, and Florida was full strength and A&M had a month more experience then I would take Florida. Here however we see exactly why hypotheticals don't matter only games played do.

I actually see yours and Mike's perspective. Manziel definitely got better as time went on, but so did Florida despite the injuries. They couldn't have won with Driskell out I don't think. Really, Bama played A&M extremely well minus the first 14 minutes where there were a few mistakes that let them put up 21 points really quickly, so I don't feel as too bad about the loss. We still almost beat them in the end even with more rare mistakes.

So, if we take care of Georgia this weekend, we'll be 2-1 against that list that Florida is currently 3-1 against. I think it's fair to say we'd take care of SoCar pretty handily, which would put us at 3-1 on that list. I know I'm speculating pretty liberally here, and I don't want to take anything away from Florida. They've been great in the W/L column, but haven't always looked so good doing it. But this year has been strange in the SEC. I think there's more parity at the top followed by a larger gulf toward the bottom this year. There isn't a linear progression from the top the bottom, and as such the any-given-Saturday rule has kicked in.

It stinks in Florida's case because they really could have gotten Georgia but just didn't get it done on that particular day. I've been waffling on what I think should happen to them...they deserve a good bowl, but so does Georgia/Bama even if the lose in Atlanta this weekend. Since Georgia already beat Florida, I'd probably give them the berth to the Sugar if they lose. If Bama loses though, I think it should be Florida just because of their impressive resume thus far.