New Ammo Bill

spencer · #1 01-12-2009, 08:01 PM

Without getting into a political argument..

Anyone else gets frustrated with this?

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The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and
Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture,
a data base of all ammunition sales . So they will know how much
you buy and what calibers.
Nobody will be able to sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009
unless the ammunition is coded .
Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1,
2011 (Including handloaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05
cent tax on every round, so every box of ammo you buy will go up at
least $2.50 or more!

doctorjazz · #2 01-12-2009, 08:03 PM

Wait, so would this make reloading illegal?

spencer · #3 01-12-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by doctorjazz

Wait, so would this make reloading illegal?

Yeap........

To me its like, if they track how much you buy, they can limit how much you buy... Even though people don't think this way anymore.... The constitution was written so that the people could use force to take over the government if nessisary. Take away ammo which makes guns useless and it becomes very difficult...

The government should fear the people, people shouldn't fear the government..

Deluge Of Sound · #4 01-12-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by spencer

Yeap........

To me its like, if they track how much you buy, they can limit how much you buy... Even though people don't think this way anymore.... The constitution was written so that the people could use force to take over the government if nessisary. Take away ammo which makes guns useless and it becomes very difficult...

The government should fear the people, people shouldn't fear the government..

Your argument would be stronger if you could spell necessary, IMO.

What really gets me is that all the guys who don't seem to care about wire-tapping and other civil liberties such get all up in arms (ha, ha, pun) when their guns get threatened. Not saying either of you fall into this category, just an observation.

spencer · #5 01-12-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

Your argument would be stronger if you could spell necessary, IMO.

Come on.. Do you guys seriously run a spell check or something? Its a typo. I saw that it was spelled wrong when it was underlined in red but I left it thinking ahh who's gonna nit pick... Oh he will....

Trevorus · #6 01-12-2009, 08:21 PM

I think this is just more of the same crap that's been happening for years. And people keep letting it happen. So, I wonder how this coding system will work.

spencer · #7 01-12-2009, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevorus

I think this is just more of the same crap that's been happening for years. And people keep letting it happen. So, I wonder how this coding system will work.

I totally thought I would have been shot down with anti gun replies by now... Especially after the remark of people controlling the government thing.. People usually think your crazy

after something like that...

And I was too young to care but what has caused the prices of bullets to sky rocket? My dad always bought in bulk but can no longer afford to..

tplyons · #8 01-12-2009, 08:34 PM

Yes, this has it's pros and cons, pros that it will be more difficult for criminals to stockpile weapons and ammunition, and the con is that it will be more difficult for law abiding citizens to stock up on ammunition.

But I've always wondered how effective gun control is, being that there is no way to destroy existing current stockpiles (even though I wonder what the penalty is), but in my opinion and from what I've seen, it doesn't have much effect on the criminals, only the law abiding citizens whom we shouldn't be worrying about anyway.

There will always be a black market for this kind of stuff, since it's not an international standard, there will always be a way to get more ammo, legal or not.

spencer · #9 01-12-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tplyons

There will always be a black market for this kind of stuff, since it's not an international standard, there will always be a way to get more ammo, legal or not.

exactly, this law will make us who reload considered to be criminals..

Trevorus · #10 01-12-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spencer

exactly, this law will make us who reload considered to be criminals..

I might have to invest in set of files...

spencer · #11 01-12-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tplyons

There will always be a black market for this kind of stuff, since it's not an international standard, there will always be a way to get more ammo, legal or not.

If you and me average americans understand this, why don't they? Maybe its not the criminals there afraid of.

Spector_Ray · #12 01-12-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spencer

And I was too young to care but what has caused the prices of bullets to sky rocket? My dad always bought in bulk but can no longer afford to..

Speculation.

JonathanD · #13 01-12-2009, 08:59 PM

So.....I have to destroy all my "uncoded ammo"?

Sure thing....................When I need to shoot something.

spade2you · #14 01-12-2009, 09:02 PM

Which states? LOL, I think my home state usually isn't too strict on guns.

tplyons · #15 01-12-2009, 09:06 PM

I'm sure New Jersey is in on this too, probably New York and Pennsylvania as well.

fdeck · #16 01-12-2009, 09:06 PM

Did anybody check Snopes on this claim?

The Golden Boy · #17 01-12-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JonathanD

So.....I have to destroy all my "uncoded ammo"?

Because the Navy was still using 1939 ammuntion for the 16" guns on the USS Wisconsin during the Gulf War...

tplyons · #18 01-12-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fdeck

Did anybody check Snopes on this claim?

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

spencer · #19 01-12-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spade2you

Which states? LOL, I think my home state usually isn't too strict on guns.

The 2008 Legislative session has begun, and the Ammunition
> Accountability Act is being introduced across the country . Below
> is a list of states where legislation has already been introduced:
> Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois,
> Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New
> York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and
> Washington .
>

**Kelly Lee** · #20 01-12-2009, 09:13 PM

Guys, this is 2009 guys, that was all from 2008. All of these were defeated in every legislature around the country last year. None of them made it out of subcommittee in their respective states. Check with the NRA, JPFO, GOA, and your local groups to confirm.