The New Death Penalty Debate

plankspanker13 · #1 07-13-2011, 08:23 AM

Only one entity pictured below still faces the possibility, but there is a question of which might be the more deserving.

GO BLUE!!!

bassteban · #2 07-13-2011, 08:35 AM

I hereby sentence this thread to death.

tastybasslines · #3 07-13-2011, 08:41 AM

champbassist · #4 07-13-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tastybasslines

ibtl

That's trolling according to TB rules. Hereby saving you a warning from the authorities

BTW what's the point of this thread? Some American joke, is it?

C.Linton · #5 07-13-2011, 09:43 AM

Just goes to show, some (not all) sports fans can be real jerks. And I'm not talking about the girl.

GregC · #6 07-13-2011, 09:49 AM

If Michigan wants to take OSU's place as the SEC's punching bag, I have no problem with that.

plankspanker13 · #7 07-13-2011, 09:58 AM

Michigan has a winning record vs the SEC.

GregC · #8 07-13-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by plankspanker13

Michigan has a winning record vs the SEC.

Thanks to their limited recent exposure, due to their inability to beat OSU.

plankspanker13 · #9 07-13-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GregC

Thanks to their limited recent exposure, due to their inability to beat OSU.

--who cheated, to obtain said "wins."

A balanced rivalry is much more preferable, and healthier for all involved. It has been one-sided for the past 2 decades, with Michigan first, then tOSU dominant. The slate has been wiped clean, with tOSU vacating wins, and new coaches at the helm. The rivalry has been very kind to first-year head coaches, with 3 of Michigan's last 4 being victorious.

One of the entities pictured has had their day in court; the others' comes on August 12th.

Gard · #10 07-13-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by plankspanker13

Michigan has a winning record vs the SEC.

...but not against Appalachian State University.

I'm just gonna leave this here for ya...

plankspanker13 · #11 07-13-2011, 11:45 AM

At least Michigan loses to 2-time National Champions on the final play of the game (a blocked field goal against Appy State that would have won the game), and handily (and in Florida, no less) beat a Florida team that soundly worked a cheating Buckeye team, some 51 weeks prior. Appy State will be FBS in another 3 years, anyway.

If Woody Hayes were still around, he'd punch Jim Tressel in the throat, for the damage that he has inflicted upon the Buckeye program. Since a TV ban hurts everyone else facing tOSU, methinks that the death penalty is probable, since it then only hurts tOSU, and delays the institution of a Big Ten Championship Game by another year, or 2, depending on the length of the death penalty. Remember, fans, a conference must be 12teams to have a title game; a death penalty imposition means that the league would effectively be the Big 11, still.

Gard · #12 07-13-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by plankspanker13

At least Michigan loses to 2-time National Champions on the final play of the game (a blocked field goal against Appy State that would have won the game), and handily (and in Florida, no less) beat a Florida team that soundly worked a cheating Buckeye team, some 51 weeks prior. Appy State will be FBS in another 3 years, anyway.

If Woody Hayes were still around, he'd punch Jim Tressel in the throat, for the damage that he has inflicted upon the Buckeye program. Since a TV ban hurts everyone else facing tOSU, methinks that the death penalty is probable, since it then only hurts tOSU, and delays the institution of a Big Ten Championship Game by another year, or 2, depending on the length of the death penalty. Remember, fans, a conference must be 12teams to have a title game; a death penalty imposition means that the league would effectively be the Big 11, still.

You can spin all you like, but the fact remains that a BCS/Div 1A college football team got BEAT in their HOME STADIUM by an FBS/Div II ball team.

That is an embarrassment, no matter how you slice it.

plankspanker13 · #13 07-13-2011, 01:29 PM

Keep putting up your brave front, Buckeye fans. You know that the NCAA hammer is coming, and you need to reassure yourselve by hanging your hat on a 1-point Michigan loss that you had no part in. The same team that got edged by Appy State smoked the same Florida team that had already chiseled your headstone by the start of the 2nd quarter. So UM lost to Appy State; big deal. It would have happened to someone else in the FBS, eventually. We simply had to live up to the title that we have always held: leaders and best. Michigan remains the all-time winningest NCAA football program, has the all-time winningest NCAA hockey program, as well, and consistently places in top 5 ratings in critical academic fields. In the big picture, a non-conference loss 4 years ago does not even merit a blip on the radar.

IMO, it is very likely that Ohio State gets slapped with a loss of institutional control charge. In addition, because of the 2005 Jim O'Brien basketball scandal, O$U could also be charged as a repeat offender. No amount of self-reporting is going to save the Buckeyes. Lying to the NCAA was enough to get Tressel fired. Knowingly using ineligible players is enough to get O$U slammed, and Pryor and others walking out with half of the equipment locker is enough to get the lack of institutional control charge. Add in the fact that the NCAA has bank and check records showing the amount of money that Pryor was racking up by selling merchandise, making appearances, and selling autographs and you have an open and shut case.

The claim that Ohio State has been fully cooperative whith the NCAA is a joke. At each stage of the process, O$U has sought the path of least resistance. The laughable 2 game suspension that they tried to pass off as punishment makes it perfectly obvious that they're giving the NCAA the middle finger, as do the facts that Tressel was allowed to "retire," and not made to pay the $250k fine that had been levied against him. Add in this worthless dog and pony show of erasing the 2010 season, and what you see is a program thumbing its nose at the NCAA.

If the NCAA wants to maintain even a shred of credibility, they have to bring the hammer...and I expect it. I also expect that O$U will rebound from the one-or-two-year hiatus with moxy, and that, within a decade from it starting, there will be no noticeable effect, aside from the empty record books, and the death penalty term's lost revenues.

I was one who liked Tressel's introduction, and his famous promise about taking pride in his players in the community, classroom, and in Ann Arbor, the following season. I felt that it was good for the rivalry, and indeed, 3 years into the Tress vs Carr era, with the record being 2-1 O$U, the rivalry looked its' best since the Ten Year War. Sure, Carr stayed with antiquated schemes, and, more importantly, Tressel locked up recruiting in Ohio, but look at all of the problems and scandals that took place on his watch. The "beat Michigan, no matter what it takes" mentality was behind much of it, and now, it is time to pay the piper for your last decade of dancing. The rest of the Big Ten can't wait to dance on your collective football grave. The day after the NCAA hearing is my birthday, and I really look forward to my gift from the NCAA.

Gard · #14 07-13-2011, 01:35 PM

You think I'm a Suckeye fan? That's funnier than thinking I'm a Weaselrine fan.

MJ5150 · #15 07-13-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by plankspanker13

Keep putting up your brave front, Buckeye fans.

Did you mean to post this on the ESPN.com forums?

-Mike

Gard · #16 07-13-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MJ5150

Did you mean to post this on the ESPN.com forums?

-Mike

It goes along with that who "Big" thing that these wimpy NCAA football conferences seem to call themselves, y'know...putting up a front to hide their lack of confidence and all that.

...all talk...no walk.