The Non-Political Ramifications of Handgun Ownership Megathread

fenderhutz · #1 06-29-2008, 04:53 PM

Not a continuation of the below thread, but a reflection and continued discussion. Reposted with permission.

In "celebration" of the pro 2A SCOTUS ruling: Post someone killed by a handgun!

As posted before, of course. I am against ordinary citizens having access to automatic and semi automatic rifles and handguns, and handguns shouldn't be legal altogether.

Discuss.

kserg · #2 06-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Why do you guys do this. It always turns ugly... just stop....

Read the fen rules, or stop posting all together...

And stop kidding yourself, what you posted is 100% political. Just because you say it's not, doesn't make it so.

JonathanD · #3 06-29-2008, 04:59 PM

We seem to stupid proof our environment. Handgun ownership provides an avenue for natural selection to take course.

Also, if someone breaks into my home AND attacks me I don't have to worry about if they are bigger or faster. I guess this is against natural selection. What a paradox.

Jonathan

fenderhutz · #4 06-29-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kserg

Why do you guys do this. It always turns ugly... just stop....

Read the fen rules, or stop posting all together...

And stop kidding yourself, what you posted is 100% political. Just because you say it's not, doesn't make it so.

I got permission for this thread from a mod/admin. I think you are confusing a social matter with a political one.

kserg · #5 06-29-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

I got permission for this thread from a mod/admin. I think you are confusing a social matter with a political one.

Ok, i am looking at your quote and i just fail to see how.

Not political?

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Let me remind you, you pay taxes, and those taxes include security (i.e. police). So if you think your safety is at risk, PROTEST about it rather than go out and buy guns to protect yourself.

Really? Social? Well, i guess, but you have to remember all political discussions are also "social". So it can be social and political at same time. IMO this is. It's been done before and always turns ugly.

On that note, i am out. If you want to understand it really, do a search.

Visirale · #6 06-29-2008, 05:04 PM

Ok all politics aside:

There will always be criminals. Criminals will always pursue crime. Even if hand guns are illegal, criminals will have them. So I prefer for them to be legal so I can have a chance to protect my family first, then myself, if one of the said criminals makes his way into my dwelling place.

Semi-auto weapons are a necessity. The premise that someone would try and protect their home with a muzzle loading weapon is preposterous. I'm not one of the people who is going to buy a ton of guns. I'm going to buy one nice hand gun to keep in my car when I'm there, and in a safe place at home when I'm there.

fenderhutz · #7 06-29-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Visirale

Semi-auto weapons are a necessity. The premise that someone would try and protect their home with a muzzle loading weapon is preposterous. I'm not one of the people who is going to buy a ton of guns. I'm going to buy one nice hand gun to keep in my car when I'm there, and in a safe place at home when I'm there.

So are you saying in order to protect your home you would need a M-16 or a 9mm instead of a 12 gauge pump shotgun? I think even a .22 rifle would scare off most heathens.

fenderhutz · #8 06-29-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kserg

Not political?

For the sake of trying to keep this a discussion about the topic at hand and not the actual thread, I removed that.

Carry on.

Ray Holt · #9 06-29-2008, 05:09 PM

First of all I don't really get your argument about semi-automatic pistols not being allowed. I agree that not everyone should be able to buy fully automatic weapons, and that's how it is. You have to have a Class III firearms license to be able to get one, and go through all kinds of hoops and ladders, and then on top of that have the money to buy one. I don't know all the details, but it's not like average joes in America have fully automatic weapons sitting around.

I think handguns should be legal, and your argument that semi-automatic pistols shouldn't be allowed doesn't really make sense to me. Like some others said in the other thread, there isn't much difference between a semi-automatic pistol and a revolver.

And from the quote you posted...

"American history is inextricably linked with guns. No matter how hard we europeans try to convince you that what you're doing is absolute madness, you will never understand what we're talking about."

Well, I have the same kind of feeling about it. I'm pro gun, and it seems like no matter how hard we Americans try to explain to you how important the individual's right to bear arms is to our country's past, present and future, you'll never get it.

Ray Holt · #10 06-29-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Visirale

I'm not one of the people who is going to buy a ton of guns. I'm going to buy one nice hand gun to keep in my car when I'm there, and in a safe place at home when I'm there.

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

So are you saying in order to protect your home you would need a M-16 or a 9mm instead of a 12 gauge pump shotgun? I think even a .22 rifle would scare off most heathens.

Did you actually read what he wrote fenderhutz? And what, you think a 12 guage shotgun is somehow "less evil" than a 9mm semi-automatic pistol???

nickn · #11 06-29-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

So are you saying in order to protect your home you would need a M-16 or a 9mm instead of a 12 gauge pump shotgun? I think even a .22 rifle would scare off most heathens.

So are you saying everybody should be forced to defend themselves with archaic, manually-operated technology? How exactly do you do a follow-up shot on a drugged-up criminal who wasn't stopped by the first round of .22 (and he WON'T be) when you have to work the bolt again before you can fire...?

Visirale · #12 06-29-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

So are you saying in order to protect your home you would need a M-16 or a 9mm instead of a 12 gauge pump shotgun? I think even a .22 rifle would scare off most heathens.

Neither of those can be concealed in my car or in the drawer next to my bed.

I do find it interesting that at 19 I can buy semi-auto full powered versions of the M-16 and AK-47 but I can't own a hand gun...

fenderhutz · #13 06-29-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray Holt

Well, I have the same kind of feeling about it. I'm pro gun, and it seems like no matter how hard we Americans try to explain to you how important the individual's right to bear arms is to our country's past, present and future, you'll never get it.

That's what I am saying, the idea to keep guns seems inherited to me. Due the conflicts we have had on our soil.

3-4 generations from the Civil War and 2-3 for the Revolutionary War before that. It is ingrained in our heritage and passed down to keep guns and plenty of them.

The same reason my grandfather learned from his father to carry around large sums of cash "just in case" something would happen. They lived through the recession and World War I and II and dealt with shortages.

I believe it is a learned behavior that is not shared in an international sense as logical, but we as a country have created an artificial need that everyone should have one.

fenderhutz · #14 06-29-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nickn

So are you saying everybody should be forced to defend themselves with archaic, manually-operated technology? How exactly do you do a follow-up shot on a drugged-up criminal who wasn't stopped by the first round of .22 (and he WON'T be) when you have to work the bolt again before you can fire...?

How many people do you know personally. How many of them have drugged up criminals invading nightly other than on their Playstation 3 or XBOX 360?

It isn't logical to have weapons that can cause so much damage in a short period of time legal to civilians.

I am not anti-gun. I am anti-handgun for the general population as well as semi and automatic rifles. Semi-auto rifles on really on the edge for me, but handguns either way I don't think should be legal.

I grew up around guns. I have shot, loaded, and cleaned more guns than I could count. Then I grew up and realized there was no reason for this. If my dad or grandfather wouldn't have pushed them onto me, I wouldn't have any natural interest.

nickn · #15 06-29-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

How people do you know perosnally. How many of them have drugged up criminals invading nightly other than on their Playstaion 3 or XBOX 360?

Why does it matter how many people I personally know who have had their homes broken into? The fact is IT HAPPENS, and it happens A LOT. Why not be prepared?

fenderhutz · #16 06-29-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nickn

Why does it matter how many people I personally know who have had their homes broken into? The fact is IT HAPPENS, and it happens A LOT. Why not be prepared?

I personally know of no one that this has happened to, I am not a social deviant. I know quite a few people.

It happens alot on the news. Check locally and find some actual statistics. You might be surprised how much it DOESN'T happen.

A big loud dog is a better at keeping criminals away than a gun.

**john turner** · #17 06-29-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

I got permission for this thread from a mod/admin. I think you are confusing a social matter with a political one.

i didn't give blanket permission for you to troll, nor did i give you permission to quote a troll. if you are really interested in a discussion, then fine, start the discussion. but starting a thread by quoting the biggest troll of the thread that got closed is not the right way to start things.

there are a sizeable percentage of folks here at talkbass who own guns. surely you are able to discuss your ideas without insulting those folks.

nickn · #18 06-29-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

I personally know of no one that this has happened to, I am not a social deviant. I know quite a few people.

It happens alot on the news. Check locally and find some actual statistics. You might be surprised how much it DOESN'T happen.

Ah, I see. Just sweep it under the rug. Homes don't get broken into. People don't get murdered in their own homes. Nothing to see here, move along.

That wasn't a rhetorical question. I'm asking you: Why not be prepared?

fenderhutz · #19 06-29-2008, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by john turner

i didn't give blanket permission for you to troll, nor did i give you permission to quote a troll. if you are really interested in a discussion, then fine, start the discussion. but starting a thread by quoting the biggest troll of the thread that got closed is not the right way to start things.

there are a sizeable percentage of folks here at talkbass who own guns. surely you are able to discuss your ideas without insulting those folks.

Fixed.

fenderhutz · #20 06-29-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by nickn

Ah, I see. Just sweep it under the rug. Homes don't get broken into. People don't get murdered in their own homes. Nothing to see here, move along.

That wasn't a rhetorical question. I'm asking you: Why not be prepared?

Get an alarm system. Get a dog. Have a rifle in the closet.

I would like to see statistics where more people are fatally wounded in break ins (I.E. Such as England, European countries) compared to the US.

You can be prepared for everything, then you would walk around in fear something might actually happen.