Penn State Update

[Dr. Cheese]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sp...s.html?_r=1&hp

It is pointing to a cover up.

[rr5025]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sp...s.html?_r=1&hp

It is pointing to a cover up.

That McQuery needs to have some charges against him. I still cannot believe he saw a 10 year old being raped and had to call his dad to ask what to do.

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by rr5025

That McQuery needs to have some charges against him. I still cannot believe he saw a 10 year old being raped and had to call his dad to ask what to do.

If McQueary gets crucified because he showed a lack of spine, then the next person who saw something may not come forward because his or her response was not perfect in the heat of the moment.

[Clark Dark]

Coverup is spot on Cheese. McQueary says he notified the police, but the college police and the local police are denying that. Now if McQueary is lying, how is it the police have reported that the DA that was originally handling the complaint is missing, computer files destroyed and is presumed dead? There's so much lack of official credibility in this case that DA may be on some island or in Europe. How about the judge being a member of the Second Mile organization and granted unsecured bail. Since she refused to recuse herself she was removed from the case. The Second Mile org. donated the Gov. of PA over $600,000 for his election campaign and the state awarded Second Mile a grant of $3,000,000. The creep is well connected. It's a shame Paterno got flamed. Stay tuned.

[Lonesomedave]

i obviously, don't know all the details, but have been following this thread, and it's predecessor.

on this issue, i have to agree with Cheese.

the harm is done, and you do not want to spook off others in a similar position to McCreary (sic).

i think the focus should be on the real villains, ie the actual rapist and those who helped him cover it up, whether it be Paterno, the AD or administration.

to go after the small fish seems like typical throwing someone to the wolves to deflect attention from the big boys.

[rr5025]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

If McQueary gets crucified because he showed a lack of spine, then the next person who saw something may not come forward because his or her response was not perfect in the heat of the moment.

I just consider this no response. Yes he reported it but he did nothing immediately. I just can't wrap my head around how that would make you freeze. I understand if there's a weapon involved or something but an unarmed guy I don't see why you would run from that.

[Lonesomedave]

clark:

is there something i am missing here? I admit to not having followed the story closely, but when you say it is a shame Paterno got flamed, it seems to me that paterno is one of the biggest villains.

am i wrong? please straighten me out.

[Clark Dark]

Dave, since this ugliness began it seems like Joe was considered the person who covered Sandusky's behind when actually Paterno did what he was supposed to do...report it to his superiors at Penn State. Some act like Joe is built like Johnny Weismuller under those sweaters he wears and he should've yelled and grabbed that creep by the scruff of his neck and threw him out. And at the time Joe couldn't have been a day under 72. Joe didn't witness the act, the McQueary kid did and told Joe about it and Joe personally went to the higher ups and left it with them, and Joe fired the creep from his position as defensive coordinator. Add to that all the connections the creep has/had who covered up this mess for over 13 years even a supposedly dead DA who had *the files* concerning this case. I don't think with all the football and health issues Paterno had he was anyway responsible or covered up anything. That's why I feel Joe took too big a hit for this mess.

[tastybasslines]

If the police say that McQueary did make a complaint, then they will then become liable. The blame game is in full effect.

McQueary comes out ahead IMO, because there is real facts that he went to officials he should have, who did not take it any further.

[Lonesomedave]

thanks, clark...received and understood.

taking what you said as true, the fault seems to lie with the admin higher ups, not Mcqueary or joe....well, maybe mcqeary a little bit more than Joe, but they both seem to have reported it.... just not to the police (or so the police SAY); that seems to be where both of them may be vulnerable.



and of course, what tasty said is absolutely true...i will take mcqueary's word over that of the cops who have something to gain by saying no complaint was made.

[etoncrow]

I think McQueary looked up to all these men and had essentially grown up under their guidance. Then he sees something I am sure he wishes he never saw. Legally he did what was expected of him; morally maybe not. Now, with all the outrage he is embarrassed and is hedging his bet with a different story to save face under the scrutiny. IMHO he is a secondary victim. Jopa is as well but he had the power to do something and should be held to a higher standard.

[Kwesi]

After getting all the facts I can on this case I can't imagine why Joe Paterno got canned and McQuery gets to stick around. First-hand witnessing of a felony and he didn't got straight to the REAL police? Call me paranoid but I don't trust campus police to handle stuff of this magnitude swiftly. It seems like he did exactly what Paterno did but the difference is that he isn't nearly as well known.

I do believe that getting rid of Paterno was the right thing to do but 1) after everything he's done he should be given his retirement benefits and I hope he'll sue for that much 2) It seems there are other people who were in a similar position and did the same things but they still have a job. That isn't fair at all.

[macaroni tony]

Wow...I didn't know they kept Paterno's retirement benefits from him IMHO that stinks. He should indeed sue for that amount, if it comes to that

[etoncrow]

I have not read anywhere that Paterno's retirement was terminated.

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by Clark Dark

Dave, since this ugliness began it seems like Joe was considered the person who covered Sandusky's behind when actually Paterno did what he was supposed to do...report it to his superiors at Penn State. Some act like Joe is built like Johnny Weismuller under those sweaters he wears and he should've yelled and grabbed that creep by the scruff of his neck and threw him out. And at the time Joe couldn't have been a day under 72. Joe didn't witness the act, the McQueary kid did and told Joe about it and Joe personally went to the higher ups and left it with them, and Joe fired the creep from his position as defensive coordinator. Add to that all the connections the creep has/had who covered up this mess for over 13 years even a supposedly dead DA who had *the files* concerning this case. I don't think with all the football and health issues Paterno had he was anyway responsible or covered up anything. That's why I feel Joe took too big a hit for this mess.

Paterno did not fire Sandusky, Sandusky retired. It is my suspicion that the retirement a quiet way of removing a suspected molester. IMO, that makes it a coverup and I'm sure Paterno in the loop.

[MatticusMania]

Anyone see the new South Park last night?

Also, what was up with the Bob Costas / Sandusky interview? Way to hang yourself...

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

Wow...I didn't know they kept Paterno's retirement benefits from him IMHO that stinks. He should indeed sue for that amount, if it comes to that

Knowing something about universities, I would be shocked if he lost anything financial.

[etoncrow]

Not only did Sandusky retire but at the time he was a prime candidate for his own head coaching job. It begs the question why? Why did he retire and why did he not take another position elsewhere? My guess is he was told to retire and to never list Penn State as a reference in the hopes it would just all "go away".

[Kwesi]

I didn't see that he definitively lost his benefits but if you get fired, isn't that how it works? I just assumed as much.

[etoncrow]

not when you have put in a gazillion years...talk about "vested"