people throwing rubbish from their cars

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by aborgman

Around here it'd never have time to compost - between deer, raccoons, possums, skunks, etc... it'll get eaten shortly.

Fair enough.

[hbarcat]

Originally Posted by JamesGoodall

Are you kidding me?
To assume that a poor person is more likely to litter than a wealthy person, or vice versa, is superiorist ignorance to the highest degree. I have seen an equal amount of litter come from both the rich and the poor.

I have noticed a definite correlation between neighborhood income level and the amount of littering taking place in my home city of 10,000.

I've lived here for years and am very familiar with the whole city and its neighborhoods and I get to see what goes on in the richer areas and in the poor areas. It's apparent that the poorer areas have a much, much greater problem with trash on the ground.

Unfortunatley, I live in the poor part of my city and I often see people throw crap out of their cars into peoples yards while driving down my block and this problem is especially bad in the evening hours closest to when the bars close. Even drunks staggaring home on foot or riding a bike are always throwing McD's bags and empty booze containers in my yard. According to some of my friends and aquaintences from the richer areas this is much less common there.

[MJ5150]

The town we live in is full of wealthy white people, including celebrities. No trash on the roads around our town. It's quite nice, and something that I like about living here. The no trash that is.

-Mike

[dmusic148]

People tossing cigarettes from cars bugs me, but absolutely infuriates my girlfriend. She'll chase offenders until they stop at a light or park, then jump out and tell them off and curse them out for it. She finds smoking/littering absolutely repulsive, and it can get scary.

[Princi]

A few days ago, I was stopped at a red light and the person ahead of me was tossing something g out of the window... They were eating chicken and tossing the bones. It's sad..

[C.Linton]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

I have noticed a definite correlation between neighborhood income level and the amount of littering taking place in my home city of 10,000.

I've lived here for years and am very familiar with the whole city and its neighborhoods and I get to see what goes on in the richer areas and in the poor areas. It's apparent that the poorer areas have a much, much greater problem with trash on the ground.

Unfortunatley, I live in the poor part of my city and I often see people throw crap out of their cars into peoples yards while driving down my block and this problem is especially bad in the evening hours closest to when the bars close. Even drunks staggaring home on foot or riding a bike are always throwing McD's bags and empty booze containers in my yard. According to some of my friends and aquaintences from the richer areas this is much less common there.

Ya think maybe it's not that rich folk litter less, or poor people litter more, it's that rich areas can afford to pay for extra workers to maintain the place easier than the poorer areas can? I have my doubts that such self entitled people as some(not all) rich seem to be are all that much more fastidious than anyone else.
"Somebody else will pick it up, if not, what am I paying all these taxes for?"

[FreakyStyley69]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

Ya think maybe it's not that rich folk litter less, or poor people litter more, it's that rich areas can afford to pay for extra workers to maintain the place easier than the poorer areas can? I have my doubts that such self entitled people as some(not all) rich seem to be are all that much more fastidious than anyone else.
"Somebody else will pick it up, if not, what am I paying all these taxes for?"

No, it's quite obvious the higher end areas are cleaner because care more about their surroundings.

I will admit I would feel fine tossing out sunflower seed shells (not that I have) banana peels (on back country roads I do and feel fine) and prance peelings.

But never anything plastic, or non biodegradable. And obviously not in a neighborhood, main highway or upper end streets.

[hbarcat]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

Ya think maybe it's not that rich folk litter less, or poor people litter more, it's that rich areas can afford to pay for extra workers to maintain the place easier than the poorer areas can? I have my doubts that such self entitled people as some(not all) rich seem to be are all that much more fastidious than anyone else.
"Somebody else will pick it up, if not, what am I paying all these taxes for?"

I'm pretty certain it's as simple as the average resident in a poor neighborhood cares less about the appearance of neatness than the average resident in a more affluent neighborhood.

Houses with broken windows and peeling paint, and derelict cars in yards of unkempt crabgrass are commonplace in poor areas, whereas these things are sure to result in scorn from the neighbors in the nicer parts of town.

Where I live people who smoke usually just sit on their porch and flick the butts into their yard. People with dogs let them poop wherever and rarely pick it up. This is frowned upon in the parts of town where one is expected to maintain a beautiful, well manicured lawn.



Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with my estimation of the character or relative worth of people from different socioeconomic backgrounds. I believe there are as many good people and bad people to be found in pretty much any group, regardless of how much money they have or how neat their home is. This is strictly a function of how much value people assign to their appearance according to the economic class they belong with and how much they care if the neighbors think they might have a messy yard and home.

[Simo98]

Originally Posted by Princi

A few days ago, I was stopped at a red light and the person ahead of me was tossing something g out of the window... They were eating chicken and tossing the bones. It's sad..

In my opinion, bones/food that are going to be consumed by other animals/insects/whatever and break down fairly quickly are a whole different kettle of fish to plastic that's going to float around the planet for the next however many thousand years.

I still wouldn't throw them out the window in the street or around town, but out on the highway or somewhere they are landing in bushland or similar, I don't really see a problem. Just make sure it clears the road so whatever comes to eat it doesn't get splattered, or cause an accident.

[FreakyStyley69]

Originally Posted by Simo98

In my opinion, bones/food that are going to be consumed by other animals/insects/whatever and break down fairly quickly are a whole different kettle of fish to plastic that's going to float around the planet for the next however many thousand years.

I still wouldn't throw them out the window in the street or around town, but out on the highway or somewhere they are landing in bushland or similar, I don't really see a problem. Just make sure it clears the road so whatever comes to eat it doesn't get splattered, or cause an accident.

First I wouldn't be eating chicken while driving....

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Second bones and tires don't mix (and banana peels don't according to cartoons) it can wait till you get home.

[Simo98]

Originally Posted by FreakyStyley69

First I wouldn't be eating chicken while driving....

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Second bones and tires don't mix (and banana peels don't according to cartoons) it can wait till you get home.

There can be more than one person in a car, and I can't say I'd eat chicken while driving either, grease all over the steering wheel

Also, if your driving through the scrub, nature strip or bush, you're probably got more things to worry about than chicken bones in your tires.

[spade2you]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

I'm pretty certain it's as simple as the average resident in a poor neighborhood cares less about the appearance of neatness than the average resident in a more affluent neighborhood.

Houses with broken windows and peeling paint, and derelict cars in yards of unkempt crabgrass are commonplace in poor areas, whereas these things are sure to result in scorn from the neighbors in the nicer parts of town.

Where I live people who smoke usually just sit on their porch and flick the butts into their yard. People with dogs let them poop wherever and rarely pick it up. This is frowned upon in the parts of town where one is expected to maintain a beautiful, well manicured lawn.



Just to be clear, this has nothing to do with my estimation of the character or relative worth of people from different socioeconomic backgrounds. I believe there are as many good people and bad people to be found in pretty much any group, regardless of how much money they have or how neat their home is. This is strictly a function of how much value people assign to their appearance according to the economic class they belong with and how much they care if the neighbors think they might have a messy yard and home.

Yeah, it kinda is what it is.

I think smoking is also falling out of fashion with the more affluent crowds. Naturally, someone will disagree with that. Ya simply don's see Tobacco 4 Less stores in the nicer neighborhoods.

[1958Bassman]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

Ya think maybe it's not that rich folk litter less, or poor people litter more, it's that rich areas can afford to pay for extra workers to maintain the place easier than the poorer areas can? I have my doubts that such self entitled people as some(not all) rich seem to be are all that much more fastidious than anyone else.
"Somebody else will pick it up, if not, what am I paying all these taxes for?"

No, it's that the people who do this BS don't have any feeling of ownership in the area, so they don't toss crap on the ground. They don't give a rat's butt because "it ain't my place". I was driving to my cousin's place yesterday for dinner and on the way, in a lower-income area, the passenger door of the car ahead of me opened slightly and a plastic soda bottle was dropped on the pavement. Then, it happened again. THEY DON'T EFFIN' CARE!

People who live in a nice area think about what they're doing. They don't want someone dumping trash in their yard, so they don't do it to other peoples' yards. Go into a low income area and look around, then go to a nicer area- you WILL see a difference and it's not because there's a crew of thousands picking up every little scrap- it's because the people who live there give a shyte about the condition of the place because it A) reflects on them and the area, B) it affects the value of the homes and C) is just something else for them to do, or pay to have done.

"Self-entitled"? Get a grip! If you want to talk about entitlements, look at who really feels entitled- the ones who work for a living and provide for themselves DO NOT feel this.

[Simo98]

Originally Posted by 1958Bassman

No, it's that the people who do this BS don't have any feeling of ownership in the area, so they don't toss crap on the ground. They don't give a rat's butt because "it ain't my place". I was driving to my cousin's place yesterday for dinner and on the way, in a lower-income area, the passenger door of the car ahead of me opened slightly and a plastic soda bottle was dropped on the pavement. Then, it happened again. THEY DON'T EFFIN' CARE!

People who live in a nice area think about what they're doing. They don't want someone dumping trash in their yard, so they don't do it to other peoples' yards. Go into a low income area and look around, then go to a nicer area- you WILL see a difference and it's not because there's a crew of thousands picking up every little scrap- it's because the people who live there give a shyte about the condition of the place because it A) reflects on them and the area, B) it affects the value of the homes and C) is just something else for them to do, or pay to have done.

"Self-entitled"? Get a grip! If you want to talk about entitlements, look at who really feels entitled- the ones who work for a living and provide for themselves DO NOT feel this.

That's definitely a part of it. I think a lot of it also has to do with social pressure. There is an expectation to clean up after yourself if you live in a more affluent area, even if it is unspoken, and the lack of general rubbish and litter about the place means people will feel guilty and more reserved about littering themselves.

If there are already fast food wrappers about the place, many people who wouldn't litter other places will do so, because "everybody else is doing it" and they feel that they can get away with it.

[FreakyStyley69]

Everything's that has been said is true, sterotypes are true for a reason.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by FreakyStyley69

Everything's that has been said is true, sterotypes are true for a reason.

Plus, they're a HECK of a timesaver.

[1958Bassman]

Originally Posted by Simo98

That's definitely a part of it. I think a lot of it also has to do with social pressure. There is an expectation to clean up after yourself if you live in a more affluent area, even if it is unspoken, and the lack of general rubbish and litter about the place means people will feel guilty and more reserved about littering themselves.

If there are already fast food wrappers about the place, many people who wouldn't litter other places will do so, because "everybody else is doing it" and they feel that they can get away with it.

It used to be that people were taught to clean up after themselves and when I see adults launching big fast food bags out of the car window and they have a gaggle of kids with them, there's no point in thinking they're teaching the kids the right things. When I see garbage on my street, it pisses me off, big time. The people in the neighborhood are stuck cleaning it up and, unfortunately, we have a lot of traffic coming through when they don't have a good reason to be here. The traffic increased when they were doing road work on the closest major street and it hasn't stopped. Along with the increase in traffic came a large increase in crime. I'm getting really tired of picking up other peoples' crap.

[1958Bassman]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

Plus, they're a HECK of a timesaver.

That's right- my New Year's resolution is to reach new levels of ruthless efficiency. Yeah, that's right! Ruthless efficiency!

[oniman7]

I try to be understanding about all things because we all have a bad day and make mistakes. Sometimes it's the mother who has a screaming baby and groceries that need to be put in the fridge and a business call to make and a kid to pick up from practice that throws the diaper on the ground. A selfish move, but sometimes we all get a pass.

That said, gum, cigarette butts, wrappers, soda cans, etc. make no sense to me and there's a thin "common sense line" between doing it absent mindedly or in a hurry versus being willfully neglectful and rude.

[SLaPiNFuNK]

If someone is infront of me and the throw a candy wrapper or something out the window, I just lay on my horn for at least a minute while behind them.

I was once stopped at a light and someone threw out a hostess cupcake wrapper w/ tray, I almost jumped out of my car and threw it back into their car!