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04-15-2008, 08:05 PM
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Posted this in Misc., but decided that OT gets more traffic and we're all musicians anyway.
Ok, so, I was looking into modifying The Awakening by Les into pickstyle, and I saw this catchy little part of the tab that I liked and thought I could do something with. With that said, I moved considerably up the fretboard and played something similar to that part a lot slower and didn't slap. If I call this my own little groove dealie, is it plagiarism? |
04-15-2008, 08:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jacksonville and Pensacola, FL | | | No. People in music steal other people's musical ideas all the time. Otherwise, everyone would have stopped making music after The Beatles.
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04-15-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wdinc01 No. People in music steal other people's musical ideas all the time. Otherwise, everyone would have stopped making music after The Beatles. | Come on! Everybody knows that Bob Dylan made all of the music in the 20th century.
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04-15-2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bassaficionado6 Come on! Everybody knows that Bob Dylan made all of the music in the 20th century. | Oh my god, you're right! That totally didn't cross my mind at all!
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04-15-2008, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wdinc01 No. People in music steal other people's musical ideas all the time. Otherwise, everyone would have stopped making music after The Beatles. | Its a damn good thing people didn't stop, or I wouldn't listen to any music at all. |
04-15-2008, 08:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Big Island | | | It's only plagiarism if you "copy" all or part of the music, writing, etc., and do not credit the author or source of the original.
If you create something based on, or similar to, someone else's work, it's still your composition.
It's common for songwriters and composers to "arrange" an existing piece of music for a chorus or orchestra or band from the original format to a new one. The compositions original author still gets the credit. An example of this is if a rock band were to arrange a Mozart piece to perform, it would still be Mozart's work and he would still need to be credited.
Also, the current owner of the original music would need to give permission and financial compensation.
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04-15-2008, 08:40 PM
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04-15-2008, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WickedPissah Posted this in Misc., but decided that OT gets more traffic and we're all musicians anyway.
Ok, so, I was looking into modifying The Awakening by Les into pickstyle, and I saw this catchy little part of the tab that I liked and thought I could do something with. With that said, I moved considerably up the fretboard and played something similar to that part a lot slower and didn't slap. If I call this my own little groove dealie, is it plagiarism? | Speaking of plagerism, les just covers the awakening, its not his. lot of people dont seem to know that though.  |
04-15-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Hawaii Islander An example of this is if a rock band were to arrange a Mozart piece to perform, it would still be Mozart's work and he would still need to be credited. | 
I thought that because it was written more than 75 years ago all the copyright stuff didn't apply? And you could just do whatever the hell you wanted with it?
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04-16-2008, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by santucci218 Speaking of plagerism, les just covers the awakening, its not his. lot of people dont seem to know that though. | no, i knew it, i'm using Les' version that's all, |
04-16-2008, 08:36 PM
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04-16-2008, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by santucci218 Speaking of plagerism, les just covers the awakening, its not his. lot of people dont seem to know that though. | So who did he "steal" it from? Was it this guy Dexter?
Man, I must have been living under a rock! I just clicked the link and WOW!!! How come I haven't heard of Dexter Redding before this?
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04-16-2008, 10:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston | | | basically, what i do is
D----------5-5---------5-7-11
A----5/6/7-------5/6/7
E-0------------00
rather than
G:----------7------------7-9-7|
D:------7h9----------7h9-------|
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04-16-2008, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WickedPissah basically, what i do is
D----------5-5---------5-7-11
A----5/6/7-------5/6/7
E-0------------00
rather than
G:----------7------------7-9-7|
D:------7h9----------7h9-------|
A:------------------------------|
E:-0-0----------0-0-------------| | That looks pretty good. I think I'll use it. |
04-17-2008, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by nortonrider So who did he "steal" it from? Was it this guy Dexter?
Man, I must have been living under a rock! I just clicked the link and WOW!!! How come I haven't heard of Dexter Redding before this? | redding is darn good, check him out man. |
04-17-2008, 09:48 AM
| | You can't plagiarize yourself. | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Elgin, IL | | | Plagiarism is an exact replica or a "close imitation" of someone else's work. The laws are hazy, I guess in reality it's only plagiarism if one can recognize that you stole it from someone else.
In your case, if you change the tempo and some notes around and another person could not recognize that you took it from someone else, then it would be more "music inspired by" than direct plagiarism.
In music, I believe the only things that can be copyrighted are melody and lyrics. And even that--music is a finite number of notes of which only certain notes sound good together. So one is bound to have similar chord progressions in songs--and I'd bet a lot of songs might even have the same lyrics in a few places.
I'd go with the "good artists borrow, but great artists steal" and say make the musical phrase your own and change it up a bit and call it yours, with Les being your inspiration.
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04-17-2008, 08:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston | | | the way i use it is more of a "porn groove" type thing rather than a funky slap dealie. I guess its okay then. thanks dudes. |
04-17-2008, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by WickedPissah the way i use it is more of a "porn groove" type thing rather than a funky slap dealie. I guess its okay then. thanks dudes. | As musicians we're all to some degree the sum of our influences. I find myself coming up with licks and riffs all the time and then later realizing they were inspired by one of my favorite bass players. Using someone else's composition as a jumping off point to take it in a new direction isn't plagiarism.
Paris Hilton blatantly ripping off UB40's "Kingston Town" for her crap single is plagiarism. Especially egregious to me because the first time I heard it I turned up the radio thinking it was UB40. 
For reference, this and this are good examples of what is (or at least borders on being) plagiarism. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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