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02-25-2009, 03:10 PM
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Is postmodernism inherently nihilistic? No matter how I bake this meatloaf, every time I slice it, it looks the same to me.
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02-25-2009, 03:12 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Covina (LA), SoCal | | | Yes. Nihilism is key to most "postmodern" mediums.
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02-25-2009, 03:17 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia | | | No; postmodernism is able to express nihilism, but it's not an inherit value. There are no inherit values. Uh, which I guess is nihilistic... by god, you're right!
However, I still feel I must argue that postmodernism would deny being inherently nihilistic; since the overall tone or emotion of a given piece of work can in fact express a belief, regardless of the foundation on which that piece of work is constructed, a given work is not necessarily nihilistic. Therefore it follows that postmodernism itself is not always nihlistic, but over all, it does tend to start from that direction.
It's sort of an oxymoron, since you must start by stripping away everything, but by the time you are complete you have created something that can be recognized and categorized within definable systems, including nonpostmodern ones.
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02-25-2009, 03:21 PM
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Postmodern = existentialism??? |
02-25-2009, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by megadan No; postmodernism is able to express nihilism, but it's not an inherit value. There are no inherit values. Uh, which I guess is nihilistic... by god, you're right! | lol um... Bravo? 
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02-25-2009, 03:23 PM
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02-25-2009, 03:26 PM
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02-25-2009, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by megadan No; postmodernism is able to express nihilism, but it's not an inherit value. There are no inherit values. Uh, which I guess is nihilistic... by god, you're right! | haha lol
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02-25-2009, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FreaqyFrequency I spy someone trying to steal \MM/'s throne. | More like I have a paper to write on my most hated subject of all time. 
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02-25-2009, 03:49 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Leeds, UK | | | Basically, yes but no. That's why you have to write a paper on it.
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02-25-2009, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Toasted Basically, yes but no. That's why you have to write a paper on it. | About the most logical response there is. 
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02-25-2009, 03:55 PM
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02-25-2009, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bassybill When somebody, somewhere gives a coherent explanation of what postmodernism actually is, unencumbered by pseudo-intellectual claptrap, I might be able to offer you an answer. | Despite what you may have heard on the internet, postmodernism is simply an era of literature (or other artwork). Now, to understand, you do have to study some of the works. It's not really claptrap, it's just a particular style. But it's difficult to explain without reference to specific examples.
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02-25-2009, 04:08 PM
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02-25-2009, 04:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: tulsa oklahoma | | | postmodernism is not inherently nihilistic. take a look at found object art. "here is an object that strikes an emotional chord". where nihilism is "get rid of this object it has an emotional context".
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02-25-2009, 04:20 PM
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"Is The Big Lebowski post-modernist cinema because it has nihilists as prominent characters?" 
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02-25-2009, 04:39 PM
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02-25-2009, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jonathan_matos5 postmodernism is not inherently nihilistic. take a look at found object art. "here is an object that strikes an emotional chord". where nihilism is "get rid of this object it has an emotional context". | Wrong. The nihilist would just fail to see any meaning in the object, there would be no need to get rid of it. There would be no emotional context.
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02-25-2009, 06:05 PM
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02-25-2009, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Thunderscreech Wait. How is it post modernism, if we are in a modern era? | I'm amusing you're being sarcastic, but Modernism was a previous era of literature and art, roughly between the wars.
Postmodernism is the era after modernism, as the name implies, starting from as early as the 60's on.
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