Raided: Gene Simmons v. Anonymous

[Waterpilot]

Gene Simons v. Anonymous - seattlepi.com

The FBI has raided the Gig Harbor home of an alleged hacker suspected in a cyber attack against Kiss bassist Gene Simmons.

[nocontrols]

Meanwhile, Trent Reznor, Radiohead, Foo Fighters and countless others are figuring out ways to make free digital distribution work FOR them instead of against them and tearing down the doors of nobody's home and being better off for it. Regardless of whether or not this guy deserves being arrested is debatable... I think the bigger issue is that the world is moving forward and everyone decides which side they're on. Gene picked the stupid, conservative side. His loss in the long run.

[Indiana Mike]

Originally Posted by nocontrols

Meanwhile, Trent Reznor, Radiohead, Foo Fighters and countless others are figuring out ways to make free digital distribution work FOR them instead of against them and tearing down the doors of nobody's home and being better off for it. Regardless of whether or not this guy deserves being arrested is debatable... I think the bigger issue is that the world is moving forward and everyone decides which side they're on. Gene picked the stupid, conservative side. His loss in the long run.

+1

My world is changing as well.

Instead of trying to control something I can't I'm learning to adapt.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by nocontrols

Meanwhile, Trent Reznor, Radiohead, Foo Fighters and countless others are figuring out ways to make free digital distribution work FOR them instead of against them and tearing down the doors of nobody's home and being better off for it. Regardless of whether or not this guy deserves being arrested is debatable... I think the bigger issue is that the world is moving forward and everyone decides which side they're on. Gene picked the stupid, conservative side. His loss in the long run.

"Stupid conservative side"?
Doesn't make what they did right. Gene Simmons is certainly within his rights to speak out against it. Because you or others disagree with something, doesn't make it ok to attack someone who feels differently.
Actually, I agree with what Trent Reznor and others are doing but again, attacking Gene Simmons is asinine.

[Indiana Mike]

Originally Posted by Relic

"Stupid conservative side"?
Doesn't make what they did right. Gene Simmons is certainly within his rights to speak out against it. Because you or others disagree with something, doesn't make it ok to attack someone who feels differently.
Actually, I agree with what Trent Reznor and others are doing but again, attacking Gene Simmons is asinine.

+1

I agree with you

And myself

Adapt
To what
You
Have no control over

Gene tried to control with his asinine statement that people should lose EVERYTHING they own if they steal one if
his , IMO, crappy songs.

Sounds like a man who's lost control and is desperately trying to regain it.

He's bound to fail, for he has failed
To adapt.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Indiana Mike

+1

I agree with you

And myself

Adapt
To what
You
Have no control over

Gene tried to control with his asinine statement that people should lose EVERYTHING they own if they steal one if
his , IMO, crappy songs.

Sounds like a man who's lost control and is desperately trying to regain it.

He's bound to fail, for he has failed
To adapt.

Yeah, that was pretty goofy actually but at least it was within his right to be that goofy.

[MatticusMania]

Did Anonymous really cop to this? Seems far below something they would do.

[MJ5150]

In 2011, you don't post pictures of dead terrorist leaders out for fear of retribution, and you don't mess with hackers either for the same reason.

-Mike

[MatticusMania]

Honestly, Im more afraid of hackers...

[MJ5150]

Yep, me too.

-Mike

[Waterpilot]

Originally Posted by nocontrols

Meanwhile, Trent Reznor, Radiohead, Foo Fighters and countless others are figuring out ways to make free digital distribution work FOR them instead of against them and tearing down the doors of nobody's home and being better off for it. Regardless of whether or not this guy deserves being arrested is debatable... I think the bigger issue is that the world is moving forward and everyone decides which side they're on. Gene picked the stupid, conservative side. His loss in the long run.

For whatever reason I just can not wrap my head around this type of mentality.

Gene spoke out against theft, a vigilante group didn't like it so they attacked him, therefore Gene Simmons is stupid?

[boynamedsuse]

Originally Posted by Waterpilot

For whatever reason I just can not wrap my head around this type of mentality.

Gene spoke out against theft, a vigilante group didn't like it so they attacked him, therefore Gene Simmons is stupid?

Agreed.

Although enforcement of the current laws is sometimes misguided (I am thinking primarily of the RIAA suing grandmothers and other actions of that ilk), giving in to criminal hackers because it's hard to control them is quite foolish. What's next, trying to appease the Taliban because we can't control them?

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by Relic

"Stupid conservative side"?
Doesn't make what they did right. Gene Simmons is certainly within his rights to speak out against it. Because you or others disagree with something, doesn't make it ok to attack someone who feels differently.
Actually, I agree with what Trent Reznor and others are doing but again, attacking Gene Simmons is asinine.

Yeah. I agree. I've been a fan of most of was Anonymous has gone after so far, but this is kind of lame. When you have to ability to take down big targets why stoop to giving more publicity to B celebrity like Gene Simmons? Gene Simmons hasn't been in the news lately, so it makes me wonder if this was a publicity stunt staged by himself. He just seems like kind of a nothing target that didn't deserve their attention. Kind of comes of as mean on Anonymous's part.

[Indiana Mike]

Originally Posted by Waterpilot

For whatever reason I just can not wrap my head around this type of mentality.

Gene spoke out against theft, a vigilante group didn't like it so they attacked him, therefore Gene Simmons is stupid?

Originally Posted by boynamedsuse

Agreed.

Although enforcement of the current laws is sometimes misguided (I am thinking primarily of the RIAA suing grandmothers and other actions of that ilk), giving in to criminal hackers because it's hard to control them is quite foolish. What's next, trying to appease the Taliban because we can't control them?

Gene Simmons isn't stupid .

Out with the old and in with the new .

Business tactics from the '70s don't work so well anymore.

I don't agree with hackers either . They are criminals just the same as any other thief or vandal.

Giving in because you can't control isn't the answer either .Control is an illusion...

Figuring out how to survive and prosper in the global world we live in has now become a must. Unless one chooses not to participate , which is just fine , just don't expect to make it huge in business or as a new country.


excuse me , gotta go poop...

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

Yeah. I agree. I've been a fan of most of was Anonymous has gone after so far, but this is kind of lame. When you have to ability to take down big targets why stoop to giving more publicity to B celebrity like Gene Simmons? Gene Simmons hasn't been in the news lately, so it makes me wonder if this was a publicity stunt staged by himself. He just seems like kind of a nothing target that didn't deserve their attention. Kind of comes of as mean on Anonymous's part.

Personally, I have a hard time believing that this was actually done by Anonymous, though I have no evidence to the contrary. But, to me, it seems a little below them.

[Skitch it!]

Purported - Assumed to be such; supposed.

[Yerf Dog]

Gene Simmons is no Lars Ulrich.

[elgecko]

Tread carefully boys. The GSDA is watching!

[Marial]

I'd wager Gene Simmons is a lot more well-off than most here. Stupid he ain't. Doesn't mean he isn't a jack***.

[nocontrols]

To clarify: I don't necessarily think Anonymous is justified in what they're doing. I also don't think Gene Simmons is wrong for defending his ownership. I'm not really talking about the Anonymous versus Simmons debate, which is a bit thorny and I'm not sure I can take side in it.

I'm actually talking about what I perceive to be a bigger, root issue, which is that the way music is made, marketed, sold and distrubted is changing and the way people get and use music is changing and traditionalists like Gene are basing a lot of their animosity in their inability to understand this fact. I used the word conservative not in the political sense (although he is that, also) but in the social sense, meaning someone who thinks the old ways are always better. There is an entire generation of musicians who are using digital distribution to their advantage and they are the clever ones. Gene deserves compensation but he seems confused about the way things work now. Thom Yorke isn't in the poorhouse, either but he's a lot more proactive about meeting the needs of music listeners, on their terms and he's much, much better off for it. Gene Simmons looks like a fool in this situation.

This is off-topic but still kind of interesting and somewhat relevant: Did you know his son, Nick Simmons, is a known plaigarist? Nick is (scratch that, was) a comic book artist who drew in a manga-influenced Japanese style. It was discovered that some of his artwork were direct swipes from a famous manga called Bleach and his comics were pulled from the shelves by his publisher and he's now blackballed from the comics industry. No big deal for him, the money was just peanuts, I'm sure, but I hope Gene remembers to have these discussions with his own son as well as with the younsters ripping HIM off. Cutthroat opportunism works both ways, unfortunately. Again, off-topic but interesting.