Rape by Deception?

[Dr. Cheese]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...ception-charge

This is certainly a situation I would not want to be in. Obviously, anything between Arabs and Israelis is politically loaded. Let's try to keep to the idea of rape by deception.

[rr5025]

Simply ridiculous. The fact that he is being charged is purely asinine. Does this mean anyone who is drunk can accuse the ugly person they hooked up with of rape just because they thought the person was attractive at the time...

[basstotheface]

Stupidest thing I have ever heard. One corrupt country.

[hover]

Simply ridiculous, racist, classist and wrong. So, she's a promiscuous girl, got what she wanted, and then went about screwin (no pun intended) a guy for life. Real nice.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by hover

Simply ridiculous, racist, classist and wrong. So, she's a promiscuous girl, got what she wanted, and then went about screwin (no pun intended) a guy for life. Real nice.

+1

Utter BS.

[IconBasser]

what an absolutely disgusting action of their courts. It's ludicrous!


although, I would like to hear the story from a source a bit more credible than the Guardian....

[David1234]

I don't think it's that unfair. The guy pretended he's available and compatible, where he's in fact married and of a different faith.

I'm not defending her promiscuity either, but his deceit will always be worse in my books and needs to be addressed.

Perhaps you'll find an Australian paper more balanced?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestin...721-10l4e.html

I think calling it "rape by deception" makes a good legal good precedent and that the plea bargain (which he took) made sense.

[IconBasser]

Originally Posted by David1234

I don't think it's that unfair. The guy pretended he's available and compatible, where he's in fact married and of a different faith.

I'm not defending her promiscuity either, but his deceit will always be worse in my books and needs to be addressed.

Perhaps you'll find an Australian paper more balanced?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestin...721-10l4e.html

I think calling it "rape by deception" makes a good legal good precedent and that the plea bargain (which he took) made sense.

[basstotheface]

Originally Posted by David1234

I don't think it's that unfair. The guy pretended he's available and compatible, where he's in fact married and of a different faith.

I'm not defending her promiscuity either, but his deceit will always be worse in my books and needs to be addressed.

Perhaps you'll find an Australian paper more balanced?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestin...721-10l4e.html

I think calling it "rape by deception" makes a good legal good precedent and that the plea bargain (which he took) made sense.

I did not know every person I know for 30 mins needed to know my faith.

[jp58]

Originally Posted by David1234

I don't think it's that unfair. The guy pretended he's available and compatible, where he's in fact married and of a different faith.

I'm not defending her promiscuity either, but his deceit will always be worse in my books and needs to be addressed.

Perhaps you'll find an Australian paper more balanced?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestin...721-10l4e.html

I think calling it "rape by deception" makes a good legal good precedent and that the plea bargain (which he took) made sense.

So he should be charged with cheating on his wife, not rape. Rape by definition is non-consensual sex, and she obviously gave her consent at the time. This seems to be to be a case where the girl regrets what she did and has decide to punish the guy for her mistakes.

If we are going to allow "false pretenses" to be the baseline for rape claims then how about we imprison every husband or wife that cheats always telling their new lover that they will soon leave their spouse so that they can be together with their new lover. Lets give everyone thats ever made a drunken mistake the chance to imprison the partner, since they were drunk it must've been false pretenses. What about the teenagers trying to get laid by convincing girls that they love them?

She came to him, she "assumed" he was Jewish, and she consented to sex. Regret should never allowed as the only incriminating evidence in a rape case, ever.

[hover]

Yeah Dave, and no guy (or girl) EVER made off as something they weren't for a bit of tail. Thing is, in this case he was not even the pursuer, but consenting partner. If anything, (and all ethics aside about him being married aside, et al, ) HE is the victim. If anything I'd say he should countersue on the grounds this fu**ery was premeditated on her part.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by David1234

I don't think it's that unfair. The guy pretended he's available and compatible, where he's in fact married and of a different faith.

I'm not defending her promiscuity either, but his deceit will always be worse in my books and needs to be addressed.

Perhaps you'll find an Australian paper more balanced?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/palestin...721-10l4e.html

I think calling it "rape by deception" makes a good legal good precedent and that the plea bargain (which he took) made sense.

It is a dangerous and illogical precedent. Quoting your Austrailan paper in the last paragraph of the story:
''It's a crazy decision,'' Ms Baker said. ''What is a lie? When a man tells a woman that he loves her, they have sex, and then it turns out that he doesn't really love her? Will he be charged with rape? This is a very dangerous precedent and … a mistake by the court.''

[BobWestbrook]

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/theft-by-deception/

Theft by deception generally means the use of deception to obtain control over the property or services of another. The following is an example of a state statute governing theft by deception:

Theft by deception.

A person commits theft if he obtains property of another by deception. A person deceives if he intentionally:

(1) Creates or reinforces a false impression, including false impressions as to law, value, intention, or other state of mind; but deception as to a person's intention to perform a promise shall not be inferred from the fact alone that he did not subsequently perform the promise

(2) Prevents another from acquiring information which would affect his judgment of a transaction;

This is from a legal definition website. Obviously, this is referring to theft of property or services, not sexual conduct.

But I suppose one could argue on the same principle that a person's sexual privilege is valuable enough as to not be taken by deception?

[JAUQO III-X]

It's really no different than a woman having consensual sex with some one who she thinks is a famous entertainer. And the person doesn't say other wise. Only to find out later that the person was a fraud.


Deception and rape.

[hover]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

It's really no different than a woman having consensual sex with some one who she thinks is a famous entertainer. And the person doesn't say other wise. Only to find out later that the person was a fraud.


Deception and rape.

But it's NOT rape if it's consensual by both parties, regardless of the pretenses, as long as neither were underage, at least in my book. Boo Hoo if one party wanted to screw a "famous" other, for what gain? For the story / bragging rights? or extortion after the fact? This all went down completely in her favor thus far. Talk about a double standard...if a guy thought he was banging Scarlett Johannsen, and found out later it wasn't her, you think he'd even bother to cry rape or sue or ANYTHING, or do you think he'd just chalk it up to nailing a really cute girl? (sorry, that last part is being flip, but still)

[BobWestbrook]

Sex among consenting adults implies informed consent.

From Wikipedia:

Informed consent is a phrase often used in the law to indicate that the consent a person gives meets certain minimum standards. As a literal matter, in the absence of fraud, it is redundant. An informed consent can be said to have been given based upon a clear appreciation and understanding of the facts, implications, and future consequences of an action. In order to give informed consent, the individual concerned must have adequate reasoning faculties and be in possession of all relevant facts at the time consent is given.

There is already precedence in law for the crime of rape when the person consented but is unable to give informed consent - e.g. a mentally retarded person.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by hover

But it's NOT rape if it's consensual, regardless of the pretenses, as long as neither were underage, at least in my book. Boo Hoo if one party wanted to screw a "famous" other, for what gain? For the story / bragging rights? or extortion after the fact? This all went down completely in her favor thus far.

It was consensual because she was under the impression that he was of the same faith as she. If he was not of the same faith she would not have given him the time of day.


He had a motive. Sleep with her.

He devised a method to sleep with her. A method that he knew(especially in the country he resides in) was not right. But he acted on it and he is now is paying the price.

[JAUQO III-X]

If you guys met a beautiful woman and she takes you home with her. And you begin to get passionate with kisses and touching each other and then you touch something that feels familiar and it usually doesn't come on a woman.

What would that be? Other than you being a victim

[P. Aaron]

Originally Posted by article

my name was Dudu because that's how everybody knows me. My wife even calls me that.''

Perhaps his wife will extrapolate upon that name now.

It's always best to get acquainted first one supposes.

[KeithBMI]

Welp, it looks like I can't go around saying that I'm a pediatrician anymore.