Roger, you have a problem.....

[MJ5150]

This, is not good: Roger Clemens indicted for perjury.

-Mike

[blendermassacre]

Saw a bit about it on sports center this afternoon. It's his word against Andy Pettit's. Either way, it's bad for him, considering he chose to come and tell the world he didn't do steroids, and people are saying he did.

[mike_v_s]

Without getting political, a famous politician dodged perjury a while back, so I think we can let both Bonds and Clemens get off for lying about baseball.

Mike

[EBodious]

can you define "can," mike?

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by EBodious

can you define "can," mike?

Unfortunately, no.

Mike

[Deluge Of Sound]

I'm sure its all lies anyway.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by EBodious

can you define "can," mike?

That depends on what "is" is.

[Woodchuck]

Originally Posted by mike_v_s

Without getting political, a famous politician dodged perjury a while back, so I think we can let both Bonds and Clemens get off for lying about baseball.

Mike

They didn't lie about baseball, they lied about using PED's,....under oath,.....to Congress,........which is a no no.

[jp58]

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[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by Woodchuck

They didn't lie about baseball, they lied about using PED's,....under oath,.....to Congress,........which is a no no.

It was baseball, no matter how "dramatic" the trappings. I'm quite sure prosecuting two people for possibly lying about using steroids while playing a game is pretty low on the list of national concerns. As with previous examples, what did anyone expect them to say?

Mike

[aborgman]

Originally Posted by mike_v_s

It was baseball, no matter how "dramatic" the trappings. I'm quite sure prosecuting two people for possibly lying about using steroids while playing a game is pretty low on the list of national concerns. As with previous examples, what did anyone expect them to say?

Mike

Note:

Perjury isn't merely lying in court.

Perjury is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding. That is, the witness falsely promises to tell the truth about matters which affect the outcome of the case.

If the lawyer asks you what you had for breakfast, and your choice of breakfast cereals is immaterial to the case - lying about it isn't perjury.

[mike_v_s]

OK.

Mike

[Mike N]

Quite honestly who cares. Someone lied about steroids, and they lied to Congress. Big f'in deal. Congress should worry about their own affairs instead of worrying about who's doing what in the sports world.

To think we're wasting taxpayer dollars over something as trivial as this makes me sick.

[seventhson]

Originally Posted by Mike N

Quite honestly who cares. Someone lied about steroids, and they lied to Congress. Big f'in deal. Congress should worry about their own affairs instead of worrying about who's doing what in the sports world.

To think we're wasting taxpayer dollars over something as trivial as this makes me sick.

if the crime of perjury is not pursued, then there is no disincentive to lie when you are called as a witness in any trial.

we, as a country, decided that the accused would be judged by a jury of his peers. but that only works if witnesses are compelled (under threat of perjury) to tell the truth.

so, no, it's not about baseball, it's about something way more sacred. And to think that he didn't have to say ANYTHING. He could've just taken the 5th. But his ego and arrogance got the best of him, and he chose to lie under oath. he's an idiot, and i have no sympathy for him.

[Mike N]

Originally Posted by seventhson

if the crime of perjury is not pursued, then there is no disincentive to lie when you are called as a witness in any trial.

we, as a country, decided that the accused would be judged by a jury of his peers. but that only works if witnesses are compelled (under threat of perjury) to tell the truth.

so, no, it's not about baseball, it's about something way more sacred. And to think that he didn't have to say ANYTHING. He could've just taken the 5th. But his ego and arrogance got the best of him, and he chose to lie under oath. he's an idiot, and i have no sympathy for him.

Congress is full of liars, like they really expect someone to tell them the truth. A bigger bunch of liars and thieves never existed. May as well put them on trial for perjury while were at it.

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by seventhson

so, no, it's not about baseball, it's about something way more sacred. And to think that he didn't have to say ANYTHING. He could've just taken the 5th. But his ego and arrogance got the best of him, and he chose to lie under oath. he's an idiot, and i have no sympathy for him.

I don't believe the sanctity of honesty has been upheld consistently in our court system by any stretch of the imagination and to do it when it IS about steroid use in a game is laughable, as if there weren't more pressing issues for a Federal grand jury to be summoned for. Pretending this is somehow going to serve as an example in more important matters is disingenuous. Where I live getting witnesses to show up for a murder trial, much less tell the truth while there, is near impossible and results in a large number of mistrials and dismissals of charges. Roger Clemens indictment will not affect that.

Mike

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by seventhson

if the crime of perjury is not pursued, then there is no disincentive to lie when you are called as a witness in any trial.

we, as a country, decided that the accused would be judged by a jury of his peers. but that only works if witnesses are compelled (under threat of perjury) to tell the truth.

so, no, it's not about baseball, it's about something way more sacred. And to think that he didn't have to say ANYTHING. He could've just taken the 5th. But his ego and arrogance got the best of him, and he chose to lie under oath. he's an idiot, and i have no sympathy for him.

I'm gonna go with you on this one.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Mike N

Congress is full of liars, like they really expect someone to tell them the truth. A bigger bunch of liars and thieves never existed. May as well put them on trial for perjury while were at it.

I'm down with this, too. In fact, now I can actually feel my blood pressure rising, just thinking about it.

[Woodchuck]

Interesting to see who's on the stand when people are willing to look the other way.

[mike_v_s]

Originally Posted by Woodchuck

Interesting to see who's on the stand when people are willing to look the other way.

Is it? I posted similar statements in favor of Bonds in a thread three years ago. You'll get 'em next time, Tiger.

Mike