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02-21-2008, 01:20 AM
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Whats up guys, not sure if anyone's heard of the site www.concealedcampus.com but its a good organization and they're making lots of progress educating people through media and taking legislative action... basically their message is they want to have college students who are 21 and over and currently have concealed weapons permits be able to bring their weapons with them on campus. The right of self defense does not end at a magical line surrounding the University.
There's also going to be an empty holster protest at campuses nationwide in April.
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02-21-2008, 04:54 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cincinnati | | | Why not spend the time and energy trying to limit drunk driving? Or end the War In Iraq? Or world starvation? or ecconomic inequality? Or increase support for mental health care? Campus shootings (the few that we have had here in America) are tragic, but more people are killing in suicide bombings in the Middle East in one week than all the campus shootings.
My guess is that they are more interested in carrying a gun around than trying to diminish loss of life.
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02-21-2008, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BassChuck  Why not spend the time and energy trying to limit drunk driving? Or end the War In Iraq? Or world starvation? or ecconomic inequality? Or increase support for mental health care? Campus shootings (the few that we have had here in America) are tragic, but more people are killing in suicide bombings in the Middle East in one week than all the campus shootings.
My guess is that they are more interested in carrying a gun around than trying to diminish loss of life. | By your logic, you should have put the effort spent on your "best guess" post on somehting more constructive. Simply Awesome.
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02-21-2008, 05:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: somewhere in middle America | | | Heh, that might have come in handy when I was in college because it was in a fairly bad neighborhood. |
02-21-2008, 05:22 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Western PA | | | Maybe some people think that MADD is doing a great job with drunk driving, Iraq is a necessary strategic move and is finally being won, world starvation is best solved by ending corrupt dictatorships and allowing free markets, and economic inequality is in reality actually fairness because it rewards those who contribute more to society.
Then again, people who think like that are in short supply on most college campii, while the neverending bleeding heart protests in support of your issues go on... and on... and on... and on... and on...
Nothing wrong at all with supporting your own causes, or that some people find your causes silly, as I do with most of yours.
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02-21-2008, 05:54 AM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Marathon Man | | More guns on Campus! In spite of your recent shootings, this is exactly what you need 
next time some nutjob goes on a shooting spree, everyone pulls out their guns and shoots back! Woo-hoo, just like the wild west!
It will only end up with even more people being killed. |
02-21-2008, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris2112 More guns on Campus! In spite of your recent shootings, this is exactly what you need
next time some nutjob goes on a shooting spree, everyone pulls out their guns and shoots back! Woo-hoo, just like the wild west!
It will only end up with even more people being killed. | That's why I think that cops shouldn't have guns either.
If a bank robber has a gun, the last thing we need to do is add MORE guns to the situation.
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02-21-2008, 05:58 AM
| | | | I think they should all invest in kelvar vests. |
02-21-2008, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggler That's why I think that cops shouldn't have guns either.
If a bank robber has a gun, the last thing we need to do is add MORE guns to the situation. | I see what your saying, lets deputise students, they all must be amazing marksmen (oand women)!
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02-21-2008, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk I see what your saying, lets deputise students, they all must be amazing marksmen (oand women)! | Now you guys are beginning to see the light  That's what the organization will promote..... Training, certification and ongoing safety refreshment.
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02-21-2008, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker Now you guys are beginning to see the light That's what the organization will promote..... Training, certification and ongoing safety refreshment. | I think it's a good idea so long as it's not executed poorly. There needs to be limitations, training and other various necessities for this to work out with even a stitch or a sliver of a promise of hope. Otherwise it'll just be pandemonium.
As far as guns + guns = bad, I'm pretty sure if it weren't for guns in some obscure war we'd all be speaking German... 
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02-21-2008, 06:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeland, FL | | | It wouldn't be hard to pack a TON of training into one semester if done properly. Also, training the non CCW students to work in conjunction with the CCW students would also go a long way. |
02-21-2008, 06:51 AM
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02-21-2008, 06:52 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Western PA | | | Police were bragging that they were in the auditorium of the last shooting in minutes.
Unfortunately, it was over in 25 seconds or so.
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02-21-2008, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaMan I think it's a good idea so long as it's not executed poorly. There needs to be limitations, training and other various necessities for this to work out with even a stitch or a sliver of a promise of hope. Otherwise it'll just be pandemonium.
As far as guns + guns = bad, I'm pretty sure if it weren't for guns in some obscure war we'd all be speaking German... | Theres a bit of a difference between a war where guns were used via the militray, and kids going around shooting each other at school. But who cares, aslong as we get the east speaking english, we can work around the rest of the world later
What they really want to do, i turn every teachers desk into a pill box, a secured M240 at the front of every class room and from towers outside should keep them all at bay
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02-21-2008, 07:04 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Old Hickory Lake, Nashville | | What about the poor, misunderstood mass-murderer? Can’t we see that he is just crying out for help? Where is our compassion? I don’t understand some people. Are they even human? Where is the Kumbaiya? Is there a chance he missed the NO GUNS sign? What if he is dyslexic? What if he didn’t take his medicine? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding.
Some sicko’s would probably try to harm a rabid dog mauling a three year old. Some degenerate might even advocate shooting it! Can’t our narrow minds grasp that the animal is sick? Call Animal Control and then wait for them to come and handle it the proper way. We are not trained to defend our children. Trust the Gov. That's why we pay taxes. They have nets & tranques. In fact, it’s OUR fault that our child is being injured. What was our child doing in our back yard with only a four foot fence? Have we ever seen how high a dog can jump? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding.
Man, that was hard to type...
Can anyone tell me what the following places & dates have in common?
U of TX tower 1966.
Pearl MS, 1997
Co Springs, CO 2007
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02-21-2008, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Intune What about the poor, misunderstood mass-murderer? Can’t we see that he is just crying out for help? Where is our compassion? I don’t understand some people. Are they even human? Where is the Kumbaiya? Is there a chance he missed the NO GUNS sign? What if he is dyslexic? What if he didn’t take his medicine? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding.
Some sicko’s would probably try to harm a rabid dog mauling a three year old. Some degenerate might even advocate shooting it! Can’t our narrow minds grasp that the animal is sick? Call Animal Control and then wait for them to come and handle it the proper way. We are not trained to defend our children. Trust the Gov. That's why we pay taxes. They have nets & tranques. In fact, it’s OUR fault that our child is being injured. What was our child doing in our back yard with only a four foot fence? Have we ever seen how high a dog can jump? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding. | Excellent points, did you move to Nashville from the UK??  |
02-21-2008, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris2112 More guns on Campus! In spite of your recent shootings, this is exactly what you need
next time some nutjob goes on a shooting spree, everyone pulls out their guns and shoots back! Woo-hoo, just like the wild west!
It will only end up with even more people being killed. | Actually, statistics show ( and these figures are sitting home at the moment, but I know right where they are) that everytime anyone present at a school shooting or similiar event, that was armed were able to use their weapon, the loss of life was a fraction of what it could have been compared to when everyone was forced to stand around and wait to be executed. Without fail, if you look at the numbers, it is always in the "gun free zones" that some nut shows up with a gun. This is the truth, accurate, provable, and repeatable. It doesn't really matter what anybodys opinion is on guns or gun control. The truth is the truth. Statements like, "more people will just get killed" or "just an excuse to carry a gun" are just silly and merely illuminate how much most of us DON'T know about guns or gun related issues.
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02-21-2008, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Intune What about the poor, misunderstood mass-murderer? Can’t we see that he is just crying out for help? Where is our compassion? I don’t understand some people. Are they even human? Where is the Kumbaiya? Is there a chance he missed the NO GUNS sign? What if he is dyslexic? What if he didn’t take his medicine? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding.
Some sicko’s would probably try to harm a rabid dog mauling a three year old. Some degenerate might even advocate shooting it! Can’t our narrow minds grasp that the animal is sick? Call Animal Control and then wait for them to come and handle it the proper way. We are not trained to defend our children. Trust the Gov. That's why we pay taxes. They have nets & tranques. In fact, it’s OUR fault that our child is being injured. What was our child doing in our back yard with only a four foot fence? Have we ever seen how high a dog can jump? It’s not his fault. It’s ours for not understanding. | You're teasing right?
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02-21-2008, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Intune Can anyone tell me what the following places & dates have in common?
U of TX tower 1966.
Pearl MS, 1997
Co Springs, CO 2007 | All were shootings that were ended by a civilian with a firearm, not the police.
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