sometimes you have to wonder what people are thinking

[Lee H]

I think we must have some of the most foolish people in California living right here in Shasta County.
These people are trying to overturn a local ordinance that prohibits cultivation of marijuana within 1,000 feet of school zones and buss stops. really...I am not kidding. The new ordinances set guidelines like no growing within your residence, but allow it in any other structure not being used as habitation. Plot size is limited, which maybe I could see disputing... but what they are fighting is the area around child sensitive areas, because they say it is too confining within some neighborhoods...

Wow. do they not think this will backfire? Parents naturally fear for their children's safety, and do everything they can to insulate children. This will just turn parents against marijuana cultivation

liquor stores are not allowed next door to schools. Porn cannot be sold next to schools. Tobacco cannot be sold next to a school. You cannot even have an automotive repair shop next to a school, in many areas, because of the possibility of dangerous fumes. Yet these people believe that voters will back drug plantations next to schools and established school buss stops? Where is the common sense? If you want this legalized, there must be compromises. Keeping it away from children should have been something marijuana users immediately agreed with instead of risking the backlash of parents. After all, parents who do not want their kids on drugs make up a large percentage of the voting population

Ok...end righteously indignant rant...but I still think that this is wrong

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by Lee H

This will just turn parents against marijuana cultivation

You mean the parents that are already for mj cultivation will turn against it becuase of this?

Not likely.

Im fine with cultivation not being allowed near schools, I agree that its a dumb idea. I dont think its going to do anything to change anyone's mind, though. And its not likely to pass.

[Waffles and Scotch]

I say we cultivate it IN the schools, have the kids grow it to learn about botany, and tell them it's a super-strong strain of poison ivy and if they touch it they'll die. A horrible, itchy death.

[pacojas]

there are backyard plots right across the street from schools in Mendo Co. the growers in Shasta are behind the curve on this one!

[elgecko]

Kind of reminds me of the antics/strategies of a certain group who lobbies for the preservation of certain constitutional rights.

[PSPookie]

Government agencies have been wielding this "School Zone" cudgel in the war on drugs for some time. It is a publicly acceptable way to come down harder on any offenders because we're doing it "for the children".

The reality of the situation is that most of the violations that result from this law won't be the 'pushers' and commercial growers that people are so concerned about. Instead it will be the guy that got busted growing a plant or two in a shed in his back yard that he failed to realize was only 995' from a school.

[skychief]

"local ordinance that prohibits cultivation of marijuana within 1,000 feet of school zones and buss stops"

I think were confusing cultivation with sale.

If an individual is growing a few plants in his garage for personal use, what difference does it make if theres a bus stop a football-field away? Will cannabis leaves fly off the plants into the kids' backpacks?

I doubt it.

If I were voting on that issue i would have voted to have it overturned also.

[Bloodhammer]

OUTRAGE!!!

*Stomps around*

[LiquidMidnight]

Not growing by a school zone seems reasonable, but the bus stop requirement could definitely be confining. I don't know what that particular area is like in California, but where I live, unless you live on a small backstreet or a private lane, you're probably fairly close to a school bus stop.

I wonder if that requirement of the policy was put in to make the legislators look progressive, while still keeping the anti-weed people happy at the same time due to the latent function still stifiling marijuana growth.

[MJ5150]

Wrong thread. Darn mobile app.

-Mike

[Smokin' Toaster]

This thread is giving me the munchees.

[nortonrider]

I think that people ride high on their righteous indignation.


Fighting to regulate stuff around schools is probably a pretty easy mark with a high chance of success. When you can use the battle cry "It's for the safety of the children", it's tough for anyone to counter point the issue.

I've used easy twice in this post so I guess that's my point.
It's easy........ people like easy!

[Lee H]

you have to understand just how poorly run this campaign is.

Ca assembly bill 1300 gave local governments the right to regulate marijuana within their own jurisdiction. So shasta county adopted a set of regulations for cultivation. The primary one was that marijuana was not to be grown, sold, used openly, or in any other way exposed to children within 1000 feet of school zones or well established buss stops.
Really that should be common sense. Alcohol has the same restrictions. Tobacco has the same restrictions. Porn has the same restrictions...so why not marijuana? It is really not that hard to comply with.

so now the local NORML group has been disbanded, because the local rep got mad and cussed out the local board of supervisors, and had to be removed. Now the disorganized marijuana advocates are collecting signatures demanding a special ballot vote to repeal the regulations. ... But do you think they look professional about this?...NO, they have kids with scraggly hair, hooodies and dirty skinny jeans harassing people as they enter stores, and insulting the people who do not sign their petition.
The local teachers association, PTA, and sheriff's office are backing the regulations, and just pointing at the kids gathering signatures. I actually saw a pic this morning. It had two kids gathering signatures in front of Wal Mart... The caption was..THIS IS WHO WANTS TO GROW DRUGS NEXT TO YOUR KID'S SCHOOL.

Yeah, parents are aligning against marijuana use. it will be another example of how an unprofessional attitude is hurting the marijuana decriminalization movement

[Bloodhammer]

It's unfortunate that the face of many "legalization" groups is that of Shaggy from Scooby Doo...

Ultimately we're going to have to rely on the medical community to slowly whittle away at the stigma, but stoners gathering on street corners does nothing to help. It just reinforces stereotypes.

[Waffles and Scotch]

Originally Posted by Bloodhammer

It's unfortunate that the face of many "legalization" groups is that of Shaggy from Scooby Doo...

Ultimately we're going to have to rely on the medical community to slowly whittle away at the stigma, but stoners gathering on street corners does nothing to help. It just reinforces stereotypes.

Especially when they forget why they're out there...

[Lee H]

Love the "Shaggy" analogy..

Shasta County is very conservative. The area I live in is mostly financially secure retirees. This image does nothing to encourage them to support decriminalization.
The original vote (15 years ago) showed 64% of Shasta CO opposed marijuana use, even for medicinal use. Now there are kids thinking they can insult those same voters into supporting marijuana...
One must wonder what they learned in school

[LiquidMidnight]

Originally Posted by Bloodhammer

It's unfortunate that the face of many "legalization" groups is that of Shaggy from Scooby Doo...

Ultimately we're going to have to rely on the medical community to slowly whittle away at the stigma, but stoners gathering on street corners does nothing to help. It just reinforces stereotypes.

My girlfriend and I were watching a show on National Geographic Channel the other night called Drugs, Inc. That episode was about marijunana - and I think they were actually touching about the regulation in CA that is the topic of this thread. Anyways, the premise of the episode was about how lucrative marijuana is when run as a legitimate business. One of the proprietors of a responsitory was this older guy with long braids and a hipster hat - yet, he was very professional and intelligent. The show also featured these two really douchey yuppie investors who were trying to start their own marijuana business. The epilogue of the episode was that the yuppies ended up suing each other for fraud, but they're both still trying to start their own individual pot businesses.

Here's the YouTube link for the vidoes: NGC - Drugs Inc. - Marijuana part 1 - YouTube

Edit: Actually, that's not the show I watched, but it has the same dude with the braids in it.

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by Lee H

Love the "Shaggy" analogy..

Shasta County is very conservative. The area I live in is mostly financially secure retirees. This image does nothing to encourage them to support decriminalization.
The original vote (15 years ago) showed 64% of Shasta CO opposed marijuana use, even for medicinal use. Now there are kids thinking they can insult those same voters into supporting marijuana...
One must wonder what they learned in school

Its okay, just wait til the retirees die off, and those numbers will change dramatically...

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by Lee H

I think we must have some of the most foolish people in California living right here in Shasta County.
These people are trying to overturn a local ordinance that prohibits cultivation of marijuana within 1,000 feet of school zones and buss stops. really...I am not kidding. The new ordinances set guidelines like no growing within your residence, but allow it in any other structure not being used as habitation. Plot size is limited, which maybe I could see disputing... but what they are fighting is the area around child sensitive areas, because they say it is too confining within some neighborhoods...

Wow. do they not think this will backfire? Parents naturally fear for their children's safety, and do everything they can to insulate children. This will just turn parents against marijuana cultivation

liquor stores are not allowed next door to schools. Porn cannot be sold next to schools. Tobacco cannot be sold next to a school. You cannot even have an automotive repair shop next to a school, in many areas, because of the possibility of dangerous fumes. Yet these people believe that voters will back drug plantations next to schools and established school buss stops? Where is the common sense? If you want this legalized, there must be compromises. Keeping it away from children should have been something marijuana users immediately agreed with instead of risking the backlash of parents. After all, parents who do not want their kids on drugs make up a large percentage of the voting population

Ok...end righteously indignant rant...but I still think that this is wrong

I don't like or consume drugs or alcohol, but its pretty clear to me that alcohol is alot more problematic than grass.

[Lee H]

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

Its okay, just wait til the retirees die off, and those numbers will change dramatically...

Honestly, just exactly the opposite is happening. We have had so many problems with the marijuana use and cultivation, the younger voters who originally supported use now have families and are turning against it. Opposition is steadily growing because of abuse. There has been a local 14% increase in marijuana use AMONG SCHOOL CHILDREN. Adult use has remained about the same. This is enough to turn parents against cultivation

You must remember that influence is a two way street. IF you believe that you can show people benefits and influence them to support use, you can also change that by pointing out deplorable behavior. Also parents do not want to catch their kids using drugs/marijuana. They do tend to oppose those who enable their kids to gain access to intoxicating substances