Sometimes You Just Need to be Quiet

[Dr. Cheese]

Miss Texas 2011 Brooke Daniels Sued by Cowboys' Roy Williams (Pictures)

If I were this guy, I would just be quiet, and let her keep the ring. I would not want the world to know I had been played.

[yodedude2]

i don't get it. he admits he sent it to her in the mail, right? then it's hers. she has no obligation to return it. the rest is immaterial. the judge should summarily dismiss the proceedings.

i mean, this is texas, after all.

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by yodedude2

i don't get it. he admits he sent it to her in the mail, right? then it's hers. she has no obligation to return it. the rest is immaterial. the judge should summarily dismiss the proceedings.

i mean, this is texas, after all.

Exactly! Sometimes you just make your move and lose, be graceful about it, and don't lose more money on lawyers.

[Dr. Cheese]

The one thing that could hurt Miss Texas is that she didn't directly refuse to return the ring, but said she lost it, and Williams called his insurance company. That may be taken in court as a sign that she agreed to return it. My point is that WIlliams looks like a loser by pursuing the ring, period. It's not like he spent his last dime on it.

[yodedude2]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

... My point is that Williams looks like a loser ....

yup. now i get it!

[Quickie]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

Miss Texas 2011 Brooke Daniels Sued by Cowboys' Roy Williams (Pictures)

If I were this guy, I would just be quiet, and let her keep the ring. I would not want the world to know I had been played.

Screwed.....not "played". And, the "I lost it" claim will end up possibly in legal action against her for lying. Insurance fraud...etc. I don't care how much money Williams makes, get the ring back. She seems like a real looser.

[pacojas]

come on Roy!!!

he got played by a woman i could've dated. (i ain't rich)

romance is over-rated,.. you can find me at the Strip Club!

i'm getting lap dances from girls that look like her and better. if you see me with a woman,.... she's on the clock. (sorry, normal guys)

[JNowiski]

i think he probably wants the ring back not so much for its actual value but just as an attempt to hurt her like she probably hurt him.

[yodedude2]

Originally Posted by Quickie

Screwed.....not "played". And, the "I lost it" claim will end up possibly in legal action against her for lying. Insurance fraud...etc. I don't care how much money Williams makes, get the ring back. She seems like a real looser.

i'm no attorney, far from it, still it's always been my understanding that if someone gives you a gift (as Williams seemingly admits to doing here), then it becomes the recipient's property. she doesn't have to return it. and she can lie about it all she wants. it's hers.

caveat emptor and all that, y'all. cheers, ron

[Quickie]

Originally Posted by yodedude2

i'm no attorney, far from it, still it's always been my understanding that if someone gives you a gift (as Williams seemingly admits to doing here), then it becomes the recipient's property. she doesn't have to return it. and she can lie about it all she wants. it's hers.

caveat emptor and all that, y'all. cheers, ron

I understand that. The difference here is it's not really a gift as more a symbol of what's to come.

Women with any class give the ring back when it does not work out. But whenever the bottom feeders (lawyers) become involved.....the only winners will be them.

[yodedude2]

Originally Posted by Quickie

...

Women with any class give the ring back when it does not work out. But whenever the bottom feeders (lawyers) become involved.....the only winners will be them.

amen. reckon ol' roy screwed himself on this one.

not that it means anything, but that ring cost about 2 years of my salary...

[Quickie]

Originally Posted by yodedude2

amen. reckon ol' roy screwed himself on this one.

not that it means anything, but that ring cost about 2 years of my salary...

I won't even say how much to me it is....my wife's ring was about 5000.00 in 88...and that's after she upgraded the center stone.

[Topspin]

They both seem like asshats.

[Funky Ghost]

The way I see it, he is just being himself. He can't catch ANYTHING.

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[DWBass]

She declined to marry him so she should have returned the ring. It is not hers to keep. It would be different if she accepted the engagement and HE broke it off. There was never an engagement so how does she figure she can keep the ring?? Then claim it's lost!! A $75k ring lost? Not likely! In any case, it seems her dad has the ring. Just give the dang thing back! WTH is wrong with people these days?!?!

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by DWBass

She declined to marry him so she should have returned the ring. It is not hers to keep. It would be different if she accepted the engagement and HE broke it off. There was never an engagement so how does she figure she can keep the ring?? Then claim it's lost!! A $75k ring lost? Not likely! In any case, it seems her dad has the ring. Just give the dang thing back! WTH is wrong with people these days?!?!

DW, although it may seem classless, the ring is legally hers since Williams gave it to her. My problem is that she apparently lied and said it was lost, only to have it turn up with her Dad. I'm not a lawyer, but I think Williams may have a case because of the lie. If she had simply refused to return it, Williams would not have had a legal leg to stand on.

[hbarcat]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

DW, although it may seem classless, the ring is legally hers since Williams gave it to her. My problem is that she apparently lied and said it was lost, only to have it turn up with her Dad. I'm not a lawyer, but I think Williams may have a case because of the lie. If she had simply refused to return it, Williams would not have had a legal leg to stand on.

I'm not a lawyer either but I seem to recall some precedent in civil courts specifically regarding engagement rings.

It is assumed that both parties are of the understanding that when an engagement ring is given to a woman, accepting it amounts to accepting the engagement. Declining to become engaged while keeping the ring is considered a failure to perform your part of an assumed legal agreement.

Should she accept both the ring and the engagement and then later call off the engagement (for sufficient cause or reason) then she might legally keep the ring.

Perhaps there are some lawyers out there who can weigh in on this.

[JNowiski]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

I'm not a lawyer either but I seem to recall some precedent in civil courts specifically regarding engagement rings.

It is assumed that both parties are of the understanding that when an engagement ring is given to a woman, accepting it amounts to accepting the engagement. Declining to become engaged while keeping the ring is considered a failure to perform your part of an assumed legal agreement.

Should she accept both the ring and the engagement and then later call off the engagement (for sufficient cause or reason) then she might legally keep the ring.

Perhaps there are some lawyers out there who can weigh in on this.

i agree with this. i feel it's only her's if she accepts, its not just a "gift" its an engagement ring, if she refuses an engagement then why should she have an engagement ring.

[macaroni tony]

I hope hbar is right about there being a legal precedent

[JNowiski]

i mean the father said he was gonna give it back to him just to avoid legal action, so i think the main thing is he wants to taint her reputation and it was an attempt to hurt her...that's my opinion only though