Super Bowl halftime: Beyonce vs. Puppy Bowl

[KJung]

Originally Posted by mjac28

You are so right she is much better than that old washed up band the Who nobody cares about and her impact on music has been so much more significant than theirs?

Hah. Well, the Who surely are one of the great rock bands of all time, and stayed quite relevant for 20+ years, which is amazing. Unfortunately, the end of that 20 years was almost 20 years ago

I still enjoy listening to the old stuff that I grew up with, but even Pete Townsend has joked that the Who are now ('the Who on ice') and feels embarrased about it a bit, and that quote was from the early 90's I think


I thought Beyonce KILLED it. Do I own any of here MP3's or CD's? No, not really my type of music. However, it is good as heck, and I regularly try to go to school on at least some of the currently relevant stuff so I don't end up playing classic rock in small bars for $50 a night, which would definitely result in me killing myself.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

that's definitely true...can't argue with it at all...

BUT the fact that one brand of music may be more popular right now does not mean it is better music.

Beyonce may be a talented performer...i assume she is because of all the love she has gotten....but, will her music stand the test time...for that matter, will the Who's? at least the Who have a track record, because most of their great music was made by 1973. Will anyone still know who Beyonce is in 40 years?

just asking

if what you want is popularity (and i assume that's what the promoters of the Super Bowl do want...i am sure they couldn't care less about the quality of the music), then, by all means, hire Beyonce.

heck, why not hire Justin Bieber...by your logic, millions of people like him...Right Now.

i'm getting old and won't be around in another 2 or 3 decades, so it really doesn't matter to me...just saying, don't confuse present popularity with actually being great, because they are two different things....as I'm sure Beethoven would agree....

And don't confuse being popular with not being good. I am old enough to remember all the old Big Band guys saying 'how can you listen to that Beatle's crap, they can hardly play their instruments'

There has always been great popular music, and there has always been horrible popular music. Just because it is old doesn't make it good. Just because it is new doesn't make it bad

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by KJung

And don't confuse being popular with not being good. I am old enough to remember all the old Big Band guys saying 'how can you listen to that Beatle's crap, they can hardly play their instruments'

There has always been great popular music, and there has always been horrible popular music. Just because it is old doesn't make it good. Just because it is new doesn't make it bad

yep...so let's see if, for example, Beyonce stands the test of time as well as The Who...

You or I may think a particular group or style sucks like a Hoover, but the only real test is time...are people still listening and liking years into the future.



ps-edit-- oh, and can you point me to some "great" popular music now, cause I haven't heard any for a LONG time....

[Flashback Bass]

It was the Kitty Bowl at Half-time.

[P. Aaron]

Today's POP music leaves me scratching my head. A day later, I am having to learn some of it to get gigs.

A few weeks later I am employing techniques and am acquainted with musical passages I had no knowledge of before I learned this 'inferior' content music.

What do I know?

[Root 5]

I didn't care for all the preening & posing Beyonce was doing. It's like she was saying 'I'm hot, I know it, and you want me.'

Well, I don't want her. Have some class. Keep your legs together and just sing.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

ps-edit-- oh, and can you point me to some "great" popular music now, cause I haven't heard any for a LONG time....

If that is true, than IMO you are most likely done as a player. Once you think 'only the old stuff sounds good', IMO you are dead (of course, this is true in any profession, among those who don't keep up with what is going on in their field of employment).

Of course, if you don't play professionally, I agree with you, who cares, and have fun and crank the Foghat

Edit: To be a touch more serious, IME, as a player who is getting toward the end of his playing career (I'm coming up on 56, and am now a 'part time semi-pro' versus playing for a living at this point, I've found the best way to try to keep up with current music trends and keep my playing fresh (i.e., to keep playing with younger professionals versus just throwing it in and doing the oldies thing with weekend warriors or whatever) is to get a subscription to XM radio and program in a wide variety of channels (hip hop, coffee house folk, pop rock, modern country, newer jazz, etc.). There is SO much wonderful music being made today in all those genre's. There is some music that is just too foreign to me (the real hard core rap stuff, death metal, etc.), but there is so much going on now... MUCH more than I remember in the 70's and 80's.... literally hundreds and hundreds of artists on the air at all times every day of the year. Of course, very few of them are making any money, but that is another topic.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Root 5

I didn't care for all the preening & posing Beyonce was doing. It's like she was saying 'I'm hot, I know it, and you want me.'

Well, I don't want her. Have some class. Keep your legs together and just sing.

Sounds like a review of the Rolling Stones in 1969, or Elvis in 56 Everything old is new again

Injecting sex appeal in popular music..... how dare she

[selassie1]

While I'm not a big fan of her music, I appreciate Beyonce sharing her big moment by highlighting band members and even pulling up her old group for a few numbers. Well played.

I loved pointing out to my daughter that 1) the band was really really talented and rocked hard 2) there was not one male on stage the whole time.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by KJung

If that is true, than IMO you are most likely done as a player. Once you think 'only the old stuff sounds good', IMO you are dead (of course, this is true in any profession, among those who don't keep up with what is going on in their field of employment).

Of course, if you don't play professionally, I agree with you, who cares, and have fun and crank the Foghat

oh, good gracious NO....i am prepared to accept new music...very open minded, in fact.

i just haven't heard any that sounds good...(with the exception of some Black Keys and others here or there).

we can all gather 'round and talk about how great this or that group is, but unless something is going on somewhere that i haven't heard of, we are deluding ourselves....

old 20's to modern jazz....love it.

40's pop, love it.

60's-70's soul and R&B, love it.

60's to early 70's Rock & Roll, love it ...and

blues of all eras, love it

modern pop, R&B etc, HATE IT.

I stopped playing about 10/12 years ago when I had my stroke, but i have a 16 year old son who plays bass and guitar...

He says constantly (and i paraphrase the quote here)...what happened to music...why can't they make songs like they used to....and he likes all the above genres that i listed....plays in the school jazz band...plays in a local band that does original 70's style Rock/blues

[DwaynieAD]

Originally Posted by pacojas

shout out to Alicia Keys!

One of the best renditions of the national anthem I've heard. Until the last ten seconds. Then she just couldn't resist effing it all up.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

oh, good gracious NO....i am prepared to accept new music...very open minded, in fact.

i just haven't heard any that sounds good...(with the exception of some Black Keys and others here or there).

we can all gather 'round and talk about how great this or that group is, but unless something is going on somewhere that i haven't heard of, we are deluding ourselves....

old 20's to modern jazz....love it.

40's pop, love it.

60's-70's soul and R&B, love it.

60's to early 70's Rock & Roll, love it ...and

blues of all eras, love it

modern pop, R&B etc, HATE IT.

I stopped playing about 10/12 years ago when I had my stroke, but i have a 16 year old son who plays bass and guitar...

He says constantly (and i paraphrase the quote here)...what happened to music...why can't they make songs like they used to....and he likes all the above genres that i listed....plays in the school jazz band...plays in a local band that does original 70's style Rock/blues

You sound like every teenager's parent who has ever lived 'Why can't they make music as good as when I was in high school I can't believe you kids listen to that crap'.

And, seriously, if your son has any interest in playing professionally, he needs to snap out of that mindset FAST.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by KJung

You sound like every teenager's parent who has ever lived 'Why can't they make music as good as when I was in high school I can't believe you kids listen to that crap'.

And, seriously, if your son has any interest in playing professionally, he needs to snap out of that mindset FAST.

no he doesn't...for 2 reasons

1) you don't have to like music to play it well, and he DOES play it well in support of some singers at his school whose songs he does not like (BTW, he goes to Nashville School of the Arts, and studies bass and guitar with a very well respected professor)

2) there will always be a niche for good rock and blues players (if that is what he chooses to do)...look at Joe Bonamassa.

and, you missed my point...if even a 16 year old can recognize the lousy state of pop music, then what does that say about the quality of the music.

how many of the modern era performers are judged by how good looking they are/ how well they can dance on stage? the great productions of all the backup singers etc?.... the music isn't even secondary, it is really just a backdrop for all the showmanship. are you really going to compare Beyonce/Pink etc to the likes of Aretha Franklin?

there will always be a place for real music... i am NOT saying that these "artists" don't have some fine musicians backing them up...they do, great ones....performing the same role than great studio and backup musicians have always done...they don't tell the singer/popstar/producer etc what to do...they just take the songs they are given and play them.

[macaroni tony]

Beyonce put on a great show. Holy cow. And I am NOT a Beyonce fan; matter of fact the only Beyonce song that I like (love on top) she didn't even really do. And I never thought I'd say this, but it was really cool to see Destiny's Child get up there again.

One more thing, I've never been of the "Beyonce is fine" camp....but this show made me tug on my collar a bit

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

no he doesn't...for 2 reasons

1) you don't have to like music to play it well, and he DOES play it well in support of some singers at his school whose songs he does not like (BTW, he goes to Nashville School of the Arts, and studies bass and guitar with a very well respected professor)

2) there will always be a niche for good rock and blues players (if that is what he chooses to do)...look at Joe Bonamassa.

and, you missed my point...if even a 16 year old can recognize the lousy state of pop music, then what does that say about the quality of the music.

how many of the modern era performers are judged by how good looking they are/ how well they can dance on stage? the great productions of all the backup singers etc?.... the music isn't even secondary, it is really just a backdrop for all the showmanship. are you really going to compare Beyonce/Pink etc to the likes of Aretha Franklin?

there will always be a place for real music... i am NOT saying that these "artists" don't have some fine musicians backing them up...they do, great ones....performing the same role than great studio and backup musicians have always done...they don't tell the singer/popstar/producer etc what to do...they just take the songs they are given and play them.

Again, like what you like, and I wish your son luck

I also assume there were 16 year olds that thought the Big Band music of the 40's was better than the Beatles in 64 or 68, or whatever. Sorry, that is an indication of nothing.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

Beyonce put on a great show. Holy cow. And I am NOT a Beyonce fan; matter of fact the only Beyonce song that I like (love on top) she didn't even really do. And I never thought I'd say this, but it was really cool to see Destiny's Child get up there again.

One more thing, I've never been of the "Beyonce is fine" camp....but this show made me tug on my collar a bit

thank you...you made my point...she put on a great "show"...not about the music anymore...it is about the show.

and, likewise, i have never been in the "Beyonce sucks" camp either...i never once said ANY artist was not good...what i said was ....the music is very substandard compared to what went before.

Beyonce and all pop musicians can do their thing and more power to 'em...keep putting on "great shows"...but will their music be remembered in decades?....only time will tell

[macaroni tony]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

thank you...you made my point...she put on a great "show"...not about the music anymore...it is about the show.

I was disappointed in the fact that she largely sang to karaoke tracks. It would have been great had she just used the band more fully. What's more, there was some terrible, terrible mixing going on.

[Richland123]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

I was disappointed in the fact that she largely sang to karaoke tracks. It would have been great had she just used the band more fully. What's more, there was some terrible, terrible mixing going on.

I totally agree with everything you wrote!

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by macaroni tony

I was disappointed in the fact that she largely sang to karaoke tracks. It would have been great had she just used the band more fully. What's more, there was some terrible, terrible mixing going on.

Originally Posted by Richland123

I totally agree with everything you wrote!

welcome to the Brave New World of pop, fellas...it isn't about the music anymore...it's about the show.

i am sure the execs who put the thing on were simply delighted and could not care less about your objections...and neither could the world full of lemming fans, all jumping off the cliff saying...oh, what a great show!

[macaroni tony]

it's not that big a deal dave...it was still entertaining