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02-15-2008, 07:21 PM
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Sorry guys, no he/shes in this thread, this is about car transmissions. My friend has recently got me into cars, so I want to start taking care of and taking pride in my automobile. Its a '98 mustang... about 70k miles on it, and I figure I can get another 70k+ out of it if I treat it right, which I intend to start doing...
Anyways, I have always been somewhat frustrated with this car as it is an automatic, but I did some searching and it appears you can actually switch cars from being an automatic to a manual... Has anyone here done this? How much did it cost? ...or did you do it yourself?? cause it sounds like a hard one to accomplish...
given I still need to find out how to drive a manual... but I think I would like it more once I did it... |
02-15-2008, 07:23 PM
| | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI | | | If you're talking about dumping a new tranny into it why say only get 70k more out of it then dump it? Engines can be rebuilt you know for not that much... (couple grand...)
Either way, it'll be quite a project to do a auto to manual swap. First things first, which engine you got in it?
(Oh also, I drive manual on a daily basis, my Bronco is a 5-speed. Hit me up for any questions you got about that.) |
02-15-2008, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jsbass  it'll be quite a project to do a auto to manual swap. | +1. A better option might be to just find a similar car, with a manual already. Unless you just want the experience of such a project. If you just want the end result, I'd say just get a new car altogether. Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Edward V Sorry guys, no he/shes in this thread, this is about car transmissions. | Damn, so many good jokes ruined.
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02-15-2008, 07:42 PM
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02-15-2008, 08:29 PM
| | | | I have converted a number of Chevelles to manual.
Don't know how hard it is on a Stang.
Basically, you need to go look at the microfiche at the dealer. Order up all the pedal and linkage hardware.
Have a look at the parts page for both auto and manual. Get anything that you need that differs.
You'll have to find out if it's hydraulic, or Z-bar linkage.
If it's Z-bar, you may need to weld a bracket on. On the Chevelles, it was a bolt on...you just had to move the brake line anti-vibration brackets.
You'll need the Z-bar, linkage, pushrods, fork, bellhousing and clutch/pressure plate/throwout bearing setup...as well as the trans, and shifter and linkage, of course.
If it's hydraulic, you'll need the clutch master cylinder, and slave cylinder, plumbing, and pushrods.
You may need to insert a pilot bushing or bearing into the rear crank output flange of the engine (press in with hammer and drift) to support and locate the front of the trans snout.
Lastly, you need to cut a hole in the floor, and one in the firewall, and install boots.
For extra points (and maybe the right to pass inspection), you'll need to rig up reverse lights (Mr. Gasket used to have a kit), and maybe even rigging up the ignition interlock switch on the clutch might not be a bad idea.
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02-15-2008, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Basshole I have converted a number of Chevelles to manual.
Don't know how hard it is on a Stang.
Basically, you need to go look at the microfiche at the dealer. Order up all the pedal and linkage hardware.
Have a look at the parts page for both auto and manual. Get anything that you need that differs.
You'll have to find out if it's hydraulic, or Z-bar linkage.
If it's Z-bar, you may need to weld a bracket on. On the Chevelles, it was a bolt on...you just had to move the brake line anti-vibration brackets.
You'll need the Z-bar, linkage, pushrods, fork, bellhousing and clutch/pressure plate/throwout bearing setup...as well as the trans, and shifter and linkage, of course.
If it's hydraulic, you'll need the clutch master cylinder, and slave cylinder, plumbing, and pushrods.
You may need to insert a pilot bushing or bearing into the rear crank output flange of the engine (press in with hammer and drift) to support and locate the front of the trans snout.
Lastly, you need to cut a hole in the floor, and one in the firewall, and install boots.
For extra points (and maybe the right to pass inspection), you'll need to rig up reverse lights (Mr. Gasket used to have a kit), and maybe even rigging up the ignition interlock switch on the clutch might not be a bad idea. | +1,
He basically explained the bulk of it. The tranny you're going to be looking into will most definitely be hydraulic, especially for a '98 Ford... |
02-15-2008, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir Edward V Sorry guys, no he/shes in this thread, this is about car transmissions. My friend has recently got me into cars, so I want to start taking care of and taking pride in my automobile. Its a '98 mustang... about 70k miles on it, and I figure I can get another 70k+ out of it if I treat it right, which I intend to start doing...
Anyways, I have always been somewhat frustrated with this car as it is an automatic, but I did some searching and it appears you can actually switch cars from being an automatic to a manual... Has anyone here done this? How much did it cost? ...or did you do it yourself?? cause it sounds like a hard one to accomplish...
given I still need to find out how to drive a manual... but I think I would like it more once I did it... | This is really not something you want to be doing to a daily driver. What you've heard about switching from automatic to manual is probably a shifter kit or manual valve body. In effect some modification is made to the transmission so that it shifts harder and faster, sacrificing ride quality for speed. A manual valve body conversion will allow you to manually select gears, although I don't know if this would be available for your car.
As far as automatic vs. manual is concerned, there's nothing wrong with driving an automatic. Some guys just get a huge charge out of selecting gears. Any small gain in fuel economy will be overwhelmed by the cost of the new transmission. If you're doing this to improve acceleration, there are easier ways to do it. |
02-15-2008, 09:18 PM
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02-15-2008, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jady Must hold tongue............must hold tongue............... | I thought that's what the tranny was for, among other things?
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02-15-2008, 09:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Urbana, IL | | | Switching out a manual trans for an auto is actually quite difficult on newer cars. With a 98 mustang, it has an electronically controlled transmission if I am not mistaken. If the trans computer is integrated in with the engine computer, you'd have to change it to one from a manual equipped car. Also, the mechanics of the pedal setup can be quite a bear to convert over. Then don't forget about the cost of a manual flywheel setup, clutch kit, and the trans mount could be different as well. If the length and output shaft on the transmission are different, too, count on a new driveshaft as well. The cost of doing it properly is quite high. I would just see if you can get a good local repair shop to do the rebuild. Around here, the range for a 93 ford AOD transmission (The 98 Stang should have the AODE, the electronic version) was 800 bucks to 1200 bucks. Just go get it rebuilt and have a new torque converter put in. It'll be worth it.
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02-16-2008, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar I totally thought this was going to a thread where Meev explained his photos. | Quote:
Originally Posted by TrooperFarva Damn, so many good jokes ruined. | Sorry guys, I should have left it for you
I don't really want a new one... I don't think it would be the same, lol. I've already got two years into this car, I think I would like to keep it for more sentimental purposes, lol |
02-16-2008, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trevorus Switching out a manual trans for an auto is actually quite difficult on newer cars. With a 98 mustang, it has an electronically controlled transmission if I am not mistaken. If the trans computer is integrated in with the engine computer, you'd have to change it to one from a manual equipped car. Also, the mechanics of the pedal setup can be quite a bear to convert over. Then don't forget about the cost of a manual flywheel setup, clutch kit, and the trans mount could be different as well. If the length and output shaft on the transmission are different, too, count on a new driveshaft as well. The cost of doing it properly is quite high. I would just see if you can get a good local repair shop to do the rebuild. Around here, the range for a 93 ford AOD transmission (The 98 Stang should have the AODE, the electronic version) was 800 bucks to 1200 bucks. Just go get it rebuilt and have a new torque converter put in. It'll be worth it. | yeah, I am not versed enough in cars to do this myself, not by far. I've never done any work on my car... I took the air filter out today... thats about the extent of it...
actually I've helped my dad once or twice in the past... I helped him get the serpentine belt back on when he couldn't figure out how it was organized...
and I know how to switch out a tire... So I can take care of myself if I get a flat... I loathe people who don't know how to take care of that...
but yeah, I intended on taking it somewhere for a quote... |
02-16-2008, 06:28 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: New York | | | If you really want to do this I'd suggest you try and find a similar year 'stang with a stick to use as a parts car. Check eBay or Craigslist and see if one is available. Imo and Ime it's easier to have a parts car with everything you need right there, versus trying to buy bits and pieces at a time. |
02-16-2008, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jsbass +1,
He basically explained the bulk of it. The tranny you're going to be looking into will most definitely be hydraulic, especially for a '98 Ford... | I'm pretty sure Mustang clutches are cable driven. |
02-16-2008, 07:32 AM
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02-16-2008, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sir Edward V yeah, I am not versed enough in cars to do this myself, not by far. I've never done any work on my car... I took the air filter out today... thats about the extent of it...
actually I've helped my dad once or twice in the past... I helped him get the serpentine belt back on when he couldn't figure out how it was organized...
and I know how to switch out a tire... So I can take care of myself if I get a flat... I loathe people who don't know how to take care of that...
but yeah, I intended on taking it somewhere for a quote... | PLEASE tell me you've been changing your oil and don't think it's a sham, PLEASE TELL ME THAT!!!
People who say changing oil is a joke deserve to be shot among other things.
Oh and also, taking it into a shop for a swap like that, prepare to have your wallet raped. |
02-16-2008, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike N I'm pretty sure Mustang clutches are cable driven. | Really? I thought all Ford manuals went with the hydraulics.
I was just basing it off my Bronco which is hydraulic, but then again, it's a truck not a sports car. Though I like to think it could be one. |
02-16-2008, 09:26 AM
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02-16-2008, 10:54 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado | | | This is only a job for a reasonably accomplished mechanic. Don't even think about it with your current skills. I suggest having a shop put a shift kit in your auto so it will shift more crisply, and let it go at that. |
02-16-2008, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jsbass PLEASE tell me you've been changing your oil and don't think it's a sham, PLEASE TELL ME THAT!!!
People who say changing oil is a joke deserve to be shot among other things.
Oh and also, taking it into a shop for a swap like that, prepare to have your wallet raped. | I don't change my oil because I don't know how and don't have the facilities to do it myself. I = college student who lives in the dorms 3.5 hours from 'home'. But I get my oil changed every 3k since I got my car back from my parents in the fall. I also just bought some of that stuff that is supposed to clean out the fuel track yesterday... btw does that stuff even do anything that great? I don't know... but I got it anyways, it was like $2... I understand they make some for the oil track as well... next time I get my oil changed I will probably go with synthetic too, I just got it done like 2 weeks ago, but I didn't feel like paying for it atm.
yeah, I expect it to cost a lot, but there is NO way I can do it myself... The guy at the place I go to is pretty cool though, he would definitely try to be reasonable with the price... | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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