TalkBass OFFICIAL English Football thread 2012-13: Part 3 - Page 21

Darkstrike · #**401** 02-17-2013, 04:52 PM

I dunno whether I'm disappointed that United get the probably hard draw in the Cup(should we beat Reading), as is usual, or delighted that Chelsea finally get a hard game instead of the usual easy draw, not that they've been making them look easy lately....

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I agree with Mark. I'm not looking for the Gunners to compete with Chelski and S-itty financially. What I would like them to do, is spend some of the money they have and bring in more players. They reportedly have around 50 mil to spend right now, and they only brought in Nacho Monreal this January. Not that Nacho wasn't needed. He seems a good upgrade from Santos, but, there are pressing needs on this team that aren't getting filled. I don't expect a bunch of 40 million dollar players, but they CAN buy some quality.

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Alisher Usmanov. He's a minority owner, but they won't let him anywhere near the board. Unless Stan the Man decides to sell his majority, Usmanov is pretty much frozen out.

That's the fellow, frozen out, but trying to get ya'll to open that "war-chest", and pop some of that much needed quality in.

I say he wants to "flash the cash", but I can't remember the exact wording, IIRC, it's more on a "what you are capable of" level(and you are capable of a lot more), rather than the Cit/ski sinkhole.

Darkstrike · #**402** 02-17-2013, 05:08 PM

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Yet to hear a marching band blast out Ozzy/Sabbath after a TD, or as game kicks off, though.... Not sure how I feel about that.

Watching a French league match, and while not marching, there is a brass band playing as the game goes on.

Pretty class actually. Not Sabbath though.

MarkMgibson · #**403** 02-18-2013, 05:10 AM

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Alisher Usmanov. He's a minority owner, but they won't let him anywhere near the board. Unless Stan the Man decides to sell his majority, Usmanov is pretty much frozen out.

It's a shame, because they don't need to spend a fortune like Chelsea or Man City (as you say, maybe $50 million or so). Just enough to add to a bit quality and some depth. I think the board are a mob of gits. Selling Alex Song was the most stupid decision I've seen in years, considering neither he, nor Wenger wanted him to go, and hasn't it hurt their midfield?. If this Russian is willing to throw some cash around, why the hell don't the let him? I'm sure it's all club politics and intrigue, but I just want a football team that's capable of challenging for the title. I don't know much about this Umnanov guy, but he'd get my vote for Chairman of the Board, especially if it's his own money he's willing to spend.

MartinG1957 · #**404** 02-18-2013, 05:17 AM

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It's a shame, because they don't need to spend a fortune like Chelsea or Man City. Just enough to add to a bit quality and some depth. I think the board are a mob of gits. Selling Alex Song was the most stupid decision I've seen in years, considering neither he, nor Wenger wanted him to go. If this Russian is willing to throw some cash around, why the hell don't the let him? I'm sure it's all club politics and intrigue, but I just want a football team that's capable of challenging for the title. I don't much about this Umnanov guy, but he'd get my vote for Chairman of the Board, especially if it's his own money he's willing to spend.

Cant argue with any of that Mark -I'm with you -as long as we don't create another Abrhamovic shaped monster!

MarkMgibson · #**405** 02-18-2013, 05:43 AM

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Cant argue with any of that Mark -I'm with you -as long as we don't create another Abrhamovic shaped monster!

LOL Yeah, that's true.

Keano · #**406** 02-18-2013, 07:12 AM

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Selling Alex Song was the most stupid decision I've seen in years, considering neither he, nor Wenger wanted him to go, and hasn't it hurt their midfield?

I don't know how transfer works for Arse or to what extent Wenger's involved in who to sell/buy, but Alex Song was an interesting one from a tactical point of view.

The trend over the last year or so has been moving away from pure destroyer/holder and go for more of an all-arounder. Once could say the transition of Song's role for Wenger from being a pure holder to more of an all-arounder may have meant Wenger was ahead of the time, which makes it even more puzzling to see Song let go so easily.

Tituscrow · #**407** 02-18-2013, 11:40 AM

Arsenes press conference today was a bit tetchy!

"We've been accused of not taking the FA Cup seriously. I've won it four times. Name a manager that's won it more"

Er, hasn't Ferguson won it five times?

Anyway, the journos certainly looking to push his buttons.

I see Paul Ince has taken over at Blackpool, which means he gets to manage his son.

Other than Cloughie at Forest, has this happened anywhere else? No googling

SoVeryTired · #**408** 02-18-2013, 02:18 PM

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Arsenes press conference today was a bit tetchy!

"We've been accused of not taking the FA Cup seriously. I've won it four times. Name a manager that's won it more"

Er, hasn't Ferguson won it five times?

Anyway, the journos certainly looking to push his buttons.

I see Paul Ince has taken over at Blackpool, which means he gets to manage his son.

Other than Cloughie at Forest, has this happened anywhere else? No googling

Darren Ferguson - I think his dad's a manager.

SoVeryTired · #**409** 02-18-2013, 02:18 PM

Kenny and Paul Dalglish?

(Edit: Google confirms my memory is correct - at Newcastle.)

SoVeryTired · #**410** 02-18-2013, 02:24 PM

The Redknapps. And, if we're extending it to coaching staff, the Frank Lampards.

Tituscrow · #**411** 02-18-2013, 02:44 PM

I meant father managing his son at the same team. Don't think Alex has managed Darren - ditto the Lampards. Didn't even know sr. had managed.

Good call on Dalglish though.

Darkstrike · #**412** 02-18-2013, 03:06 PM

I couldn't do that on FIFA on my Xbox.

SoVeryTired · #**413** 02-18-2013, 03:26 PM

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I meant father managing his son at the same team. Don't think Alex has managed Darren - ditto the Lampards. Didn't even know sr. had managed.

Good call on Dalglish though.

I definitely remember Darren playing for us around the earlyish 90s under his dad. And Frank Lampard Sr was definitely on the coaching staff with 'Arry at West Ham. Let me check my facts though...

**cheezewiz** · #**414** 02-18-2013, 03:29 PM

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I couldn't do that on FIFA on my Xbox.

He's just an absolutely ridiculous talent. Damn him.

SoVeryTired · #**415** 02-18-2013, 03:32 PM

Yep, Darren was with us 1990-94. And Frank Lampard I was assistant manager at West Ham (under brother-in-law 'Arry) when Frank Lampard II started his career. I think he should get double points playing for his father and uncle.

Darkstrike · #**416** 02-18-2013, 03:39 PM

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He's just an absolutely ridiculous talent. Damn him.

24m for him, and for some reason, a lot of people thought Fergie was mad, 100% steal, especially when you think someone paid 35m for Carroll.

Tituscrow · #**417** 02-18-2013, 04:04 PM

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Yep, Darren was with us 1990-94. And Frank Lampard I was assistant manager at West Ham (under brother-in-law 'Arry) when Frank Lampard II started his career. I think he should get double points playing for his father and uncle.

Ok sir, good calls. Still, can't believe Fergie jr. was with you that long!

DS - phone won't play image. Is it a gif or a YT clip? What are y'all looking at?

"Y'all"??? What am I saying???

SoVeryTired · #**418** 02-18-2013, 04:07 PM

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Ok sir, good calls. Still, can't believe Fergie jr. was with you that long!

DS - phone won't play image. Is it a gif or a YT clip? What are y'all looking at?

"Y'all"??? What am I saying???

I can't see it on the phone either but from the still image and following comments I guess "y'all" are looking at Van Persie showing some outrageous skills?

**cheezewiz** · #**419** 02-18-2013, 04:51 PM

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24m for him, and for some reason, a lot of people thought Fergie was mad, 100% steal, especially when you think someone paid 35m for Carroll.

In that context it's a huge steal. Carroll can do one thing. Head the ball. Van Persie can do it all.

MarkMgibson · #**420** 02-18-2013, 06:41 PM

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In that context it's a huge steal. Carroll can do one thing. Head the ball. Van Persie can do it all.

I thought he was a bargain really, despite his age. He's really just peeked the last couple of seasons, and when he's not scoring goals, he's creating them. Considering the money spent on other players in the league, you can't say he wasn't good value.

The sad thing is, if Arsenal had been challenging for titles and/or won some silverware, they probably could held on to Van Persie. Unlike a lot of other fans, I understand his decision. At his age, he wants to win some silverware. You can't really blame a player for that. Alex Song didn't want to leave, so why on earth would they transfer a player of his quality? Now Arteta seems to get the role as the defensive midfielder, and that's just not his position. It's stuffed up their whole midfield.

It's just a shame they didn't spend that RVP money more wisely, and they should actually pay some club a couple of million to take Gervinho- why does he does get put on the team sheet, ever? Arsharvin is the same, and one or two others will never be first team players. There should have been a bit more wheeling and dealing in the transfer window (though at least they bought a decent left back to replace that clown Santos.

They should bring back Bendtner too, who's been quite impressive at Juventus whenever I've seen him play. I've always thought him a very good prospect.