TalkBass OFFICIAL English Football thread 2012-13: second half - Page 30

Darkstrike · #**581** 12-26-2012, 09:59 AM

Jeez, what should have been a routine United win, turned into a hell of an exciting game.

Come from behind three freaking times, and take the lead in the 91st minute....

Tituscrow · #**582** 12-26-2012, 10:13 AM

More Ferguson shenanigans I believe?

Another good win for us....just wish them Baggies would stop matching us!

Two games without Fellaini, two wins...bring on Chelsea on Saturday...

Darkstrike · #**583** 12-26-2012, 10:25 AM

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More Ferguson shenanigans I believe?

Nothing really, argued with the ref and linesman a bit, nothing you don't see managers do often. Much ado about nothing.

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Another good win for us....just wish them Baggies would stop matching us!

I could have done with Pienaar doing something for my fantasy points.

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Two games without Fellaini, two wins...bring on Chelsea on Saturday...

Batter 'em mate, batter 'em like the fish from a chippy dinner!

Tituscrow · #**584** 12-26-2012, 11:54 AM

Here's a stat for you all, considering our willingness to castigate Abramovich for his managerial merrygoround attitude...

...over HALF (48) of the 92 professional clubs in England appointed their current manager in 2012. I couldn't believe that.

And today, Forest beat Leeds 4-2 to go within a point of the play off places. Board sack manager.

Darkstrike · #**585** 12-26-2012, 11:59 AM

Crazy stuff. It's amazing how little of a chance managers get these days.

**bassybill** · #**586** 12-26-2012, 12:02 PM

Yeah. I reckon Solbakken must be looking over his shoulder at Wolves after today's fiasco.

**cheezewiz** · #**587** 12-26-2012, 01:34 PM

Suarez vs. the Orcs. I'm torn.

Tituscrow · #**588** 12-26-2012, 01:37 PM

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Suarez vs. the Orcs. I'm torn.

I'm not. Mordor every time

And they're winning 2-1 at half time...

Darkstrike · #**589** 12-26-2012, 02:28 PM

Orcs vs. Goblins.

And the freaking Orcs are outplaying Brendans "philosophy".

Tituscrow · #**590** 12-26-2012, 03:13 PM

Yep. The best team really did lose. They created more chances. They were more attacking and more creative. They worked harder. They were just very unlucky and actually won the game in terms of everything except scoring more goals than the opposition.

BR's post match pseudo-philosophical delusional claptrap is becoming a thing of legend on Merseyside. The blue half, anyway...

Darkstrike · #**591** 12-26-2012, 03:26 PM

Oh, I'm certain it's legendary in the red half too, for completely different reasons....

Plays them like a fiddle, or some of us(not me) play bass guitar.

Keano · #**592** 12-26-2012, 05:47 PM

Large gif is large.
Creepy Rodgers is creepy.

http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn....odgerspeak.gif

Darkstrike · #**593** 12-26-2012, 05:51 PM

MarkMgibson · #**594** 12-27-2012, 12:00 AM

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Large gif is large.
Creepy Rodgers is creepy.

http://ballsdot.wpengine.netdna-cdn....odgerspeak.gif

That's classic. I thought he was going to jump her there for a second.

dangnewt · #**595** 12-27-2012, 07:13 AM

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Yep. The best team really did lose. They created more chances. They were more attacking and more creative. They worked harder. They were just very unlucky and actually won the game in terms of everything except scoring more goals than the opposition.

BR's post match pseudo-philosophical delusional claptrap is becoming a thing of legend on Merseyside. The blue half, anyway...

I missed the match so I appreciate your take on it. I'm trying to figure out what is going on and the best I can come up with is Coach Belichick's "you are what your record says you are" and at roughly the half-way point in the season LFC is right in the middle of the table. I understand this is a transition year but last year they finished 8th and now it doesn't look like they will improve on that unless they find a groove soon.

Last year they seemed to have more than their share of unlucky breaks but this year has seemed to be more even in the breaks department and they are no better off. I'd hate to see it start to go the way of a series of balls off the post or a bunch of home draws. They have a couple of winnable games coming up with QPR and Sunderland - then a pretty tough stretch with Man U, Arsenal, City and West Brom.

Tituscrow · #**596** 12-27-2012, 08:14 AM

You spotted the irony/sarcasm in my post, yes?

A season is 38 games. You are where you are at the end of it based on your performance over that period. You have runs when you find a groove and runs when you couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo.

Over those 38 games, lucky decisions go your way and unlucky decisions go against you. Statistically it evens out over a season. The problem is, teams at the bottom fighting for their lives only tend to focus on the latter. Teams at the top focus on neither.

Everton have played the last day survival game twice in premiership history. On both occasions, we were down there, not because we were robbed of a penalty in November, or had a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside in March, but because over 37 games, there were 17 teams better than us. Fact. And not one blue worth his or her stripes would dispute that. Heck, ask Bill about Wolves plight last year.

Liverpool are where they are because they are not good enough to be any higher up the table. I can assure you that the sentiment amongst my red mates is not bemoaning poor refereeing or cursing lucky opponents....it's simply that BR needs to take his blinkers off and accept that the current side isn't good enough.

If you want to really feel the pain, you should follow the posts on this board. It's given us TB'ers a fair bit of mirth recently...

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php

dangnewt · #**597** 12-27-2012, 09:07 AM

I didn't but thats OK. That LFC board was pretty good for a sports-oriented board - many thoughtful posts. The similarity to Red Sox fans is oddly comforting to me. A fair bit of overreaction to both good news and bad news.

How long does it take to install and get player buy-in to a new system? There was a strong current of thought on those boards that LFC needs better players who can play the style that Rodgers wants. What do the non-Reds think?

As far as breaks and form netting out over the course of the season - that is true for the most part but the soccer season at 38 games is much more akin to football at 16 games - which is many fewer than basketball and hockey at 82 (when they decide to play

) or baseball at 162. You have less opportunity to recover from a bad run (whether it be play, luck, injuries) than most other sports.

Darkstrike · #**598** 12-27-2012, 09:08 AM

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I can assure you that the sentiment amongst my red mates is not bemoaning poor refereeing or cursing lucky opponents....it's simply that BR needs to take his blinkers off and accept that the current side isn't good enough.

http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php

It seems your mates aren't members of lfcreds, or RAWK, then!

Tituscrow · #**599** 12-27-2012, 09:17 AM

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It seems your mates aren't members of lfcreds, or RAWK, then!

Haha. Nah...my guess is that lfcreds is populated by the Home Counties and Scandinavians.

Tituscrow · #**600** 12-27-2012, 09:29 AM

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I didn't but thats OK. That LFC board was pretty good for a sports-oriented board - many thoughtful posts. The similarity to Red Sox fans is oddly comforting to me. A fair bit of overreaction to both good news and bad news.

How long does it take to install and get player buy-in to a new system? There was a strong current of thought on those boards that LFC needs better players who can play the style that Rodgers wants. What do the non-Reds think?

As far as breaks and form netting out over the course of the season - that is true for the most part but the soccer season at 38 games is much more akin to football at 16 games - which is many fewer than basketball and hockey at 82 (when they decide to play

) or baseball at 162. You have less opportunity to recover from a bad run (whether it be play, luck, injuries) than most other sports.

See, I think I may be alone here, but I don't get the whole over thinking, strategic analysis of 'systems'. 90 minutes, 11 v 11, may the best team win. Goalie, defenders, midfielders, strikers.

It doesn't matter how tactically aware a manger is, he's judged on the results that his players deliver, and that is determined simply by how good they are.

Mourinho, Ferguson et al are great managers because they know how to motivate and inspire their players to deliver. But put either of them in charge of QPR, and they'll still end up relegated because the talent is not there in the squad, man for man.

Put the worlds most expensive and desirable bass in my hands....it won't turn me into Michael Manring.

I'm not sure what 'system' BR is trying to introduce? Get the ball...pass it...keep it....shoot, and score. More than the opposition. Surely that is the 'system' of any team at any level.

I used to get really annoyed when Liverpool fans in the 80's used to talk about 'the Liverpool way...pass and move'. Isn't that how every team aspires to play?