TB Website Developer's Thread

tastybasslines · #1 01-19-2011, 01:42 AM

I do not believe this has been done before, but I am learning Joomla after many years of QA work and website design. I want to welcome people to this thread who have an interest in creating a site, maybe for their band or any questions whatsoever.

I want to keep getting better, and sure I can learn from a few people, but I can help a few people too...

GO.

Selta · #2 01-19-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tastybasslines

but I am learning Joomla

I'm sorry. That's all I have to say.

Nappa · #3 01-19-2011, 08:47 AM

I know some basic HTML. I took a class in college on html. A good developer tool for web designers is the Web Developer add-on for firefox. It really helped with my HTML class.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...web-developer/

It lets you view the code for all websites, verify any your html and css for errors.

L-A · #4 01-19-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by tastybasslines

... I am learning Joomla ...

Do yourself a service and don't learn a CMS first, you're preparing your own lifelong rut. Learn to make custom back ends (it's easier, seriously).

Grab this if you're serious:

jeremyr · #5 01-19-2011, 09:00 AM

Java/C#/php/SQL/AS3 man here checking in..lol

jeremyr · #6 01-19-2011, 09:01 AM

honestly Joomla is a waste of time imho. if you want to learn a CMS (not that i'm suggesting that first off) I would suggest SilverStripe by FAR.

Rusty Chainsaw · #7 01-19-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyr

honestly Joomla is a waste of time imho. if you want to learn a CMS (not that i'm suggesting that first off) I would suggest SilverStripe by FAR.

Alas, all the CMS work out there is either Joomla, Drupal and Sharepoint. Maybe Ektron at a push. Never met a client who wanted to use Silverstripe (I had to Google it, as I've never heard of it).

Seriously, jump straight into PHP/mySQL. When you come back to Joomla later, you'll be able to do so much more with it.

L-A · #8 01-19-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw

Never met a client who wanted to use Silverstripe (I had to Google it, as I've never heard of it).

Same for me. In fact, most of our clients don't need a management system. They realize so when we present them with the cost comparison of building the whole site around a CMS, versus paying us thirty minutes from time to time during five years to do the same modifications, or something they couldn't do even with the CMS.

Rusty Chainsaw · #9 01-19-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by L-A

Same for me. In fact, most of our clients don't need a management system. They realize so when we present them with the cost comparison of building the whole site around a CMS, versus paying us thirty minutes from time to time during five years to do the same modifications, or something they couldn't do even with the CMS.

To be honest, for anything that isn't effectively "groupware", 95% of what any client needs a CMS to do can now be done using good ol' WordPress. Even something like Drupal is overkill for most of the work out there.

jeremyr · #10 01-19-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Chainsaw

Alas, all the CMS work out there is either Joomla, Drupal and Sharepoint. Maybe Ektron at a push. Never met a client who wanted to use Silverstripe (I had to Google it, as I've never heard of it).

Seriously, jump straight into PHP/mySQL. When you come back to Joomla later, you'll be able to do so much more with it.

I'd beg to differ. Most of the CMS work out there is Java or .Net work (well at least here in the midwest).

All the Joomla, drupla, and sharepoint work I see are for 3 -8 week contracts making an OK rate, but nothing to be too excited about. If you want a good market with great salary get into the .net/java world.

No other tech comes close as far as I've seen.

I do agree that just learning PHP and SQL from scratch is your best bet as you open up your potential job market and you can even pass yourself off as someone that can pickup up a CMS in a day or 2 and keep the ball rolling.

For those of you that haven't used silverstripe go give it a shot and you'll find that everything else PALES in comparison.

lopxtc · #11 01-19-2011, 10:01 AM

Please ... no matter what else you do or what language you tackle (aside from C#/.net) start working in a Unix environment now. Even if its just downloading cygwin to your windows box and doing it all in there.

Nothing drives me nuts worse than some developer who has no clue how to edit in vi and starts pulling files down to his local machine to edit and re-uploads them in binary mode and we end up with ^m characters at the end of each line.

Learn Unix, learn vi, and you you'll save yourself a serious heartache down the road.

Aaron

MIJ-VI · #12 01-19-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lopxtc

Please ... no matter what else you do or what language you tackle (aside from C#/.net) start working in a Unix environment now. Even if its just downloading cygwin to your windows box and doing it all in there.

Nothing drives me nuts worse than some developer who has no clue how to edit in vi and starts pulling files down to his local machine to edit and re-uploads them in binary mode and we end up with ^m characters at the end of each line.

Learn Unix, learn vi, and you you'll save yourself a serious heartache down the road.

Aaron

Hi Aaron.

Are there any effective GNU/Linux-based web site development tools that you know of?

Thanks.

lopxtc · #13 01-19-2011, 11:33 AM

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Hi Aaron.

Are there any effective GNU/Linux-based web site development tools that you know of?

Thanks.

The majority of the developers I work with (I'm an Admin/Engineer/Architect) work on windows boxes with RAD when working in an IBM (WebSphere) environment. However if you want to work in pure Unix/Linux environment just about eveyone I know uses Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org/) for their IDE. They have them geared towards C/C+, Java, PHP, JavaScript, etc ... with a ton of plugins available for it.

Aaron

MIJ-VI · #14 01-19-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lopxtc

The majority of the developers I work with (I'm an Admin/Engineer/Architect) work on windows boxes with RAD when working in an IBM (WebSphere) environment. However if you want to work in pure Unix/Linux environment just about eveyone I know uses Eclipse (http://www.eclipse.org/) for their IDE. They have them geared towards C/C+, Java, PHP, JavaScript, etc ... with a ton of plugins available for it.

Aaron

Good. Thanks for the pointer.

Dirk Diggler · #15 01-19-2011, 03:18 PM

I would suggest learning html and css, much better place to start unless you really enjoy being a programmer. And yeah IMHO Joomla and CMS in most situations is a waste of time an resources.

I have recently converted several php sites back to good old html and css so the clients could have a chance of editing their own content.

But then again I'm an independent web guy working for small businesses, I'm not trying to entrench myself within a company.

Dirk