They found Schindler's actual list today

[WickedPissah]

This is a pretty cool story. In an Australian library, someone found Oskar Schindler's list of people he saved from concentration camps in world war 2.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090406...caustschindler

[SundanceChile]

Trippy. Wonder what they'll do with it now.

[J. Crawford]

Originally Posted by SundanceChile

Trippy. Wonder what they'll do with it now.

Eat it.

[GregC]

Very cool. That's a remarkable document, to say the least.

[crimson_basser]

That's pretty damn cool, i hope nothing stupid happens to it...

[Valerus]

Oh wow..

[GeneralElectric]

Originally Posted by SundanceChile

Trippy. Wonder what they'll do with it now.

Mail out some christmas cards.

[kesslari]

That's extremely cool. Schindler's story shows that heroism can be found in any of us.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by kesslari

That's extremely cool. Schindler's story shows that heroism can be found in any of us.

Thomas Keneally was my writing professor. He told me that the Schindler, in his opinion, was kind of a hero by default. He saw an opportunity for cheap labor for his factories. Saving the lives of those who made the list was kind of a means to an end. Hollywood took his story and made it less ambiguous and turned him into a hero. Just an interesting tidbit.

[SpectorBass308]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

Thomas Keneally was my writing professor. He told me that the Schindler, in his opinion, was kind of a hero by default. He saw an opportunity for cheap labor for his factories. Saving the lives of those who made the list was kind of a means to an end. Hollywood took his story and made it less ambiguous and turned him into a hero. Just an interesting tidbit.

Party's over folks

[kserg]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

Thomas Keneally was my writing professor. He told me that the Schindler, in his opinion, was kind of a hero by default. He saw an opportunity for cheap labor for his factories. Saving the lives of those who made the list was kind of a means to an end. Hollywood took his story and made it less ambiguous and turned him into a hero. Just an interesting tidbit.

Yeah but there were so many other factory supervisors who didn't keep their workers alive or took any care of them... So I kinda disagree with your teacher. IMO there is a very good chance that if he was any more of a "hero", we wouldn't even known who he was, besides having him on a list of 14million who died in the camps. At least that's a very good possibility.


I am not a huge fan of that movie either, but I think his story kind of shows that even small things in crisis counts.

When I TAed a class on Concentration camps (it was a seminar class) teacher i TAed for used to do this, basically making people put themselves into shoes of the people who were guards or any kind of workers in the camps. It's kinda hard to realize that even though you think that what is going on is wrong any alternative or hero action will very possible result in your death with nothing accomplished. Sadly, I personally don't know if i was born in that world (note that we'd be thinking much different if we were) if i would even do what Schindler did. I'd like to think so, but I don't know.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by kserg

Yeah but there were so many other factory supervisors who didn't keep their workers alive or took any care of them... So I kinda disagree with your teacher. IMO there is a very good chance that if he was any more of a "hero", we wouldn't even known who he was, besides having him on a list of 14million who died in the camps. At least that's a very good possibility.


I am not a huge fan of that movie either.

When I TAed a class on Concentration camps (it was a seminar class) teacher i TAed for used to do this, basically making people put themselves into shoes of the people who were guards or any kind of workers in the camps. It's kinda hard to realize that even though you think that what is going on is wrong any alternative or hero action will very possible result in your death with nothing accomplished. Sadly, I personally don't know if i was born in that world (note that we'd be thinking much different if we were) if i would even do what Schindler did. I'd like to think so, but I don't know.

Yeah. I guess it's really a matter of perspective. The bottom line is, no matter how you look at it, he saved all those lives despite his true motives. You can't fault him for that.

[bongomania]

There's an elevator company by the name of Schindler... I get a chuckle whenever I'm in one of Schindler's lifts.

http://www.schindler.com/

[kserg]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

Yeah. I guess it's really a matter of perspective. The bottom line is, no matter how you look at it, he saved all those lives despite his true motives. You can't fault him for that.

Yeah

Hmmm, on other hand though, I think having your workers die daily can be expensive as you have to retrain them and dispose of their remains. I think that was one of the failures of Nazi Germany, way too much money went on poor trained labor that dies on daily bases and disposal of humans. So maybe your teacher was right and he was just trying to run a more efficient business. Because Nazi Germany was not efficient at all IMO. So I think I can see where your teacher was coming from.


Is it weird that this subject fascinates me? Heh

[NickInMesa]

And they are shipping Demianiuk (spelling?) for his trial.

I love the Spielberg's movie, although it's not as good as The Pianist.

[MakiSupaStar]

Originally Posted by kserg

Yeah

Hmmm, on other hand though, I think having your workers die daily can be expensive as you have to retrain them and dispose of their remains. I think that was one of the failures of Nazi Germany, way too much money went on poor trained labor that dies on daily bases and disposal of humans. So maybe your teacher was right and he was just trying to run a more efficient business. Because Nazi Germany was not efficient at all IMO. So I think I can see where your teacher was coming from.


Is it weird that this subject fascinates me? Heh

Not weird. We would meet to discuss my writing, but most of the beers we drank we were talking about this exact thing. I think a part of him needed to get all that research out of his head.

[Techmonkey]

Originally Posted by bongomania

There's an elevator company by the name of Schindler... I get a chuckle whenever I'm in one of Schindler's lifts.

http://www.schindler.com/

i'm actually going to buy a hat for the purpose of taking off to you sir!

[J. Crawford]

Originally Posted by Techmonkey

i'm actually going to buy a hat for the purpose of taking off to you sir!

Ill second that.

[iamlowsound]

It isn't the whole list, only about three quarters of it.

lowsound

[kydnav]

Originally Posted by kserg

Yeah but there were so many other factory supervisors who didn't keep their workers alive or took any care of them... So I kinda disagree with your teacher. IMO there is a very good chance that if he was any more of a "hero", we wouldn't even known who he was, besides having him on a list of 14million who died in the camps. At least that's a very good possibility.


I am not a huge fan of that movie either, but I think his story kind of shows that even small things in crisis counts.

When I TAed a class on Concentration camps (it was a seminar class) teacher i TAed for used to do this, basically making people put themselves into shoes of the people who were guards or any kind of workers in the camps. It's kinda hard to realize that even though you think that what is going on is wrong any alternative or hero action will very possible result in your death with nothing accomplished. Sadly, I personally don't know if i was born in that world (note that we'd be thinking much different if we were) if i would even do what Schindler did. I'd like to think so, but I don't know.

My family actually had a factory during WW2 and when our country was invaded by the Germans they basically had 2 choices; they could either cooperate with the nazi's and keep the factory or have them take over the factory and get rid of all employees and such.
They chose to work for the Germans (and not only joined NSB but also the SS) so the factory went on producing ammunition cases and such for them.
It's weird, because it's been over 60 years ago, but my uncle still 'hides' his last name when he's working for someone that's old enough to have knowingly lived through WW2 (He still lives and works in the city where my family used to live during WW2 and my family's involvement with the nazi's weren't that much of a secret)..