Twisted Teens in Minnesota.... Alleged

[JacoLesFlea]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...2081minn1.html


No respect for the elderly.

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Damn, kinda cute too. They'll be real popular in prison.

[Deluge Of Sound]

I wonder how many of the old folks enjoyed it...

[Relic]

I saw that on Drudgereport. I'm dumbfounded..how the heck can kids do that sort of thing?
Not only is it twisted but it's downright gross.

[TheoFly]

Originally Posted by Relic

I'm dumbfounded..how the heck can kids do that sort of thing?

Hmmmmm .... having worked at a State Mental Institution when I was in my early 20s I have to wonder where the adults were when this was going on. Why were there no charges brought against their supervisors? There was obviously insufficient oversight.

Very strange things happen to a person when when put in a position of absolute authority over others. Especially when the others become objectified, either because they seem infirm, are combative, or are considered culturally undesirable. This can lead to all sorts of behavior that seems hard to comprehend.

I suspect there is much more to this story than the police report indicates. I would hate to see these young girls lives screwed up because there are no adults in the room with enough balls to live up to their supervisory responsibilities. We all know kids can be mean ... nothing new there.

[sarcastro83]

Originally Posted by TheoFly

I would hate to see these young girls lives screwed up because there are no adults in the room with enough balls to live up to their supervisory responsibilities. We all know kids can be mean ... nothing new there.

Completely disagree. You're old enough to volunteer to work at an Old Folks Home, you're old enough to know better. I for one believe that it's entirely justifiable that their lives are screwed up because of this.

That being said, I do agree that their supervisors dropped the ball. Throw the lot of them under the bus.

[TheoFly]

Originally Posted by sarcastro83

Completely disagree. You're old enough to volunteer to work at an Old Folks Home, you're old enough to know better. I for one believe that it's entirely justifiable that their lives are screwed up because of this.

I would have said the same thing up until I spend a year working on an all lock-up unit for the Profoundly Retarded. The stresses involved in that sort of situation are far beyond the coping skills of the average teenager. I am not saying they should not be held accountable in some manner ... but jail time and a criminal record?

I never worked in an old folks home, but I know in a State Mental Hospital the staff is under constant abuse from the patient population. After a few months of being spit on, kicked, assaulted, and insulted day in and day out you can become very hardened to the suffering of those in your charge. I had to step in and defend the residents from other attendants more than once, and I had to be on guard to insure my own reactions were always appropriate as well.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by TheoFly

I would have said the same thing up until I spend a year working on an all lock-up unit for the Profoundly Retarded. The stresses involved in that sort of situation are far beyond the coping skills of the average teenager. I am not saying they should not be held accountable in some manner ... but jail time and a criminal record?

I never worked in an old folks home, but I know in a State Mental Hospital the staff is under constant abuse from the patient population. After a few months of being spit on, kicked, assaulted, and insulted day in and day out you can become very hardened to the suffering of those in your charge. I had to step in and defend the residents from other attendants more than once, and I had to be on guard to insure my own reactions were always appropriate as well.

I can see where you're coming from Theo, but despite the stresses and potentially intense pressure put on these girls, they are STILL old enough to know right from wrong. Abuse is abuse.
If the stresses were beyond the coping skills of a teenager, then why not just quit? Or at the very least approach a more senior member of the staff to talk about the stress? Instead, they stay on and abuse patients? There's something terribly wrong with this picture. If mommy and daddy didn't teach them right from wrong then maybe Aunt Nanny State does need to slap them hard to teach them and send a message to others.

[Linas]

Wow, reading a lot of that report, i wonder if they will bring rape charges into this. These girls should be thrown in the slammer.

[sarcastro83]

Originally Posted by TheoFly

I had to step in and defend the residents from other attendants more than once, and I had to be on guard to insure my own reactions were always appropriate as well.

I can see where you're coming from regarding becoming "hardened", but admitting yourself that you've intervened when abuses were taking place and kept yourself in check is precisely what I'm getting at. Taking personal responsibility and accountability for one's own actions. These girls should now do the same and suffer the consequences of their actions, ideally to the fullest extent of the law.

[Phalex]

Lack of supervision may be a factor, but is a supervisor really necessary to tell someone not to stick your finger in a helpless persons ***? How could they not know any better?

The whole situation is really messed up.

My very first job was mopping floors in a nursing home when I was 16. This sort of stuff never occurred to me. Am I some sort of saint? Hell, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm "normal". There is no excuse for this sort of behavior.

I really enjoyed talking to the residents a lot. When they are lucid, they actually have a lot of great things to impart.

At the end of a long and productive life, nobody should have to look forward to a few years of torment before they die.

[TheoFly]

Originally Posted by Phalex

Lack of supervision may be a factor, but is a supervisor really necessary to tell someone not to stick your finger in a helpless persons ***? How could they not know any better?

The whole situation is really messed up.

Yes ... it is very messed up. The police reports says the young lady was attempting to assist the patient with a bowel movement. This is what we called "digging an impaction". I did it several times. My training consisted of the nurse handing me a glove and telling me to use my finger and stand back. It wasn't pleasant. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do it for fun. But, I can imagine the young lady making a joke out of it later in an effort to cope with the situation personally.

Police reports are typically written in such a way as to make the charges stick. I still think there is a lot to be told that is missing.

There is lots of Alzheimer's in my family, and in another fifteen or twenty years I could be sitting around drooling in an old folks home. I don't want some little fool spitting in my mouth! But I also don't want someone penalized unjustly either.

[JT_bassman]

I wouldn't mind if either of those girls put thier bare *** in my face

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Yeah..I wouldn't "complain" either. I'd be all like

"Yeah that's right whippersnapper, scrub me CLEAN! The way Grandpa likes it!"

hahahaha. Still not right of them.

[Kgoodrich]

kids these days.

[Vince S.]

That is sick. Working as an EMT, I've had to take both emergency calls and non-emergency transfers at these so-called "skilled nursing facilities". I find that many, not all, but many nursing homes employ unqualified, sketchy employees (possible illegal immigrants, people with no medical experience or credentials), and the way many staff treat the residents is deplorable.

[MakiSupaStar]

Ugh.

[DudeistMonk]

That is sick. Working as an EMT, I've had to take both emergency calls and non-emergency transfers at these so-called "skilled nursing facilities". I find that many, not all, but many nursing homes employ unqualified, sketchy employees (possible illegal immigrants, people with no medical experience or credentials), and the way many staff treat the residents is deplorable.

I did a brief stint as a transport EMT myself and I'll second this one big time....hell most transport EMTs are freaking idiots too.

We had a few nursing homes (one in Elizabeth that was deplorable comes to mind) the whole place smelled like poo, pee, lysol and stale cigarettes, it was always about 105 degrees in there...and patients would just be running (well wheeling, walkering and caneing) amok in the halls ...brought a guy out of there for a bed sore whose skin was so dry he left "snow" all over our ambulance.

[Baryonyx]

There seems to be some kind of debased sexual element to their crimes. I mean, shoving their bare buttocks in the faces of the elderly, washing them in a manner that produces erections...very disturbing indeed!

[MysticMichael]

They're more than old enough to know right from wrong. These little princesses could use a few months in jail...

MM