US Navy lesbian couple share first gay dockside kiss

[Horny Toad]

Originally Posted by Grabow

....these tropps were the moist ferocious troops and would fight to the death to defend their lovers

OK, you got my attention.

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by Grabow

its 2011, get over it
in Ancient Grecce, the Spartans openly recruited gays for what they called "lovers battalions" these tropps were the moist ferocious troops and would fight to the death to defend their lovers

I thought the Spartans were all dudes



(PS - awesome Freudian slip!)

[fingerbun]

Originally Posted by john_martin_sai

Isn't it about time to make polygamy legal now?

Why not?

Seriously.

We have a range of views in society. If you are a polygamist, why should it be illegal?

And if you are committed to one lifelong heterosexual marriage with no sex outside of it, do you really need the force of law to help you live by your personal morals?

Shouldn't the onus be on people who want to ban things to justify why they should be banned?

[SamanthaCay]

The end to the slippery slope argument is pretty simple.

If someone wants to engage in something that harms no one physically, let them.
If someone wants to engage in something that does harm to another physically, don't let them.

That's called logic, give it a try sometime you may find it to serve you very well in life.

It only gets mixed up when we as human beings bring our emotions and beliefs into the equation.

Being LGBT harms no one, it leads no further down any slope then being hetro, male, female, construction worker ect...
There has been LGBT people as long as there has been people, in some instances in history we have been more excepted then even today and it still hasn't led us down any slopes.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by fingerbun

Why not?

Seriously.

We have a range of views in society. If you are a polygamist, why should it be illegal?

And if you are committed to one lifelong heterosexual marriage with no sex outside of it, do you really need the force of law to help you live by your personal morals?

Shouldn't the onus be on people who want to ban things to justify why they should be banned?

Agreed. There's is nothing wrong with polygamy or polyamory, it just so happens that relationships like those are often found in twisted environments (cults, etc).

[rr5025]

Originally Posted by Lee H

OK, let's reverse this...how can it not impact the military?

first the media does have a huge impact on our military Recruiting practices as based on a favorable military image. Any recruiter will tell you that bad publicity directly effects his job.
here is what you are not considering. Public opinion holds a huge amount of leverage, especially in an election year, and public opinion on such matters is rarely rational. it is reactionary.
If you want an example of how reactionary it can be, look at the CA medical marijuana fight. Medical marijuana was allowed. A small percentage of those who indulge took advantage of the system, and their behavior reflected adversely on all. Now as of Jan 1st ALL medical marijuana collectives and dispensaries will be closed in CA. This is a direct result of public outrage to the behavior of a few.
You do not get to pick and choose which issues the public will be outraged about. You do not get to tell the public how they SHOULD feel or react. Usually if you think that you can reason your way around this, you will be on the losing end

that is just an example, but it does show the reactionary nature of public opinion. This can be an inflammatory issue, so public opinion will be just as strong when people have an example of inappropriate behavior lodged in their head. many people won't like it, so the bad will be highly publicized

You forgot to post the mountain lion picture too.

As for the rape links. Oh yeah because soldiers have never raped before in history. Rapes have nothing to do with sexuality. I haven't looked at any of the links but I'd bet at least one is from a news outlet that is anti gay or has a large amount of its audience that disapproves with homosexuality. I'm sure stuff happened like that in the past but it was brushed under the rug, now it can be brought to light and used as an argument against the repel of dadt.

[john_martin_sai]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

Agreed. There's is nothing wrong with polygamy or polyamory, it just so happens that relationships like those are often found in twisted environments (cults, etc).

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

I wish irrational fear, hatred and contempt could be argued away with reason...
Is it just me or do homophobes cling to the "slippery slope" logic like it's going out of style?

I dont want to assign the label homophobe to anyone, but there are some comments in this thread that are pretty close to the line of bigotry.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by john_martin_sai

Not the biggest fan of super thin blondes but thanks anyway. Just personal preference is all .

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

Not the biggest fan of super thin blondes but thanks anyway. Just personal preference is all .

Well I am, so I'll take 'em!

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

I dont want to assign the label homophobe to anyone, but there are some comments in this thread that are pretty close to the line of bigotry.

I'd say that line's been crossed a few times now. Question though, I'm a bit unclear here myself: What is the difference between homophobia and bigotry directed towards homosexuals?

[Jim Nazium]

I volunteer to review all photos of lesbian sailors kissing their partners upon returning home. To make sure they don't cross the line or anything.

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by Kwesi

I'd say that line's been crossed a few times now. Question though, I'm a bit unclear here myself: What is the difference between homophobia and bigotry directed towards homosexuals?

The word "homophobia" implies a fear of homosexuality, whereas bigotry, in this instance, is intolerance of homosexuality.

Definitions:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a/ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Noun: An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

big·ot·ry/ˈbigətrē/Noun: Bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

[nortonrider]

Why is it that when a minority (in this case homosexuals) press their viewpoint, it is to be accepted as tolerance,,
but when a majority member (heterosexual) voices their view, they are beaten down for their closed mindedness?

Just asking - I don't have a dog in this fight - I.M.H.O. kiss who you want.



Oh....... Go Hef!

[Lee H]

bigotry is an adjective used to describe opinions that do not agree with your own. Bigotry is usually defined as intolerance, but tolerance is subject to personal opinion.
usually the adjective is used in a context more hypocritical then the user would like to admit. By calling someone a bigot, you have judged them, for judging others, and having an opinion or level of tolerance that opposes your own

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

Why is it that when a minority (in this case homosexuals) press their viewpoint, it is to be accepted as tolerance,,
but when a majority member (heterosexual) voices their view, they are beaten down for their closed mindedness?

Just asking - I don't have a dog in this fight - I.M.H.O. kiss who you want.



Oh....... Go Hef!

What viewpoints are you talking about? You're going to have to be a little more specific if you want a decent answer. I'd wager that not all straight viewpoints are the same nor are all gay viewpoints.

[john_martin_sai]

[Waffles and Scotch]

Why hasn't this thread been filled with pictures of sexy women kissing each other yet??

I have to say I'm quite shocked at the lack of appropriate content in here. : /

Too much talk. More pics.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by MatticusMania

The word "homophobia" implies a fear of homosexuality, whereas bigotry, in this instance, is intolerance of homosexuality.

Definitions:
ho·mo·pho·bi·a/ˌhōməˈfōbēə/Noun: An extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.

big·ot·ry/ˈbigətrē/Noun: Bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Gotcha, thanks.

Originally Posted by Lee H

usually the adjective is used in a context more hypocritical then the user would like to admit. By calling someone a bigot, you have judged them, for judging others, and having an opinion or level of tolerance that opposes your own

That's the same logic as saying someone is racist for pointing out racism, which is to say, not logical at all. As far as the judging bit, I do that all the time so it's no biggie.

[Kwesi]

Originally Posted by john_martin_sai

You know, I used to laugh at this... then I was corrupted by internet feminism .