US STD Experiments in Guatemala

Dr. Cheese · #1 10-01-2010, 03:44 PM

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ocId=D9IJ4NNO1

It's terrible to hear of this. The Tuskeegee Experiment was bad enough, now we see it was done elsewhere too.

MatticusMania · #2 10-01-2010, 04:22 PM

I wouldnt be surprised to hear experiments of this sort are still going down. Lots of people are unwillingly being experimented on everyday. Gubmint is a dirty bitch.

bassrique · #3 10-01-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ocId=D9IJ4NNO1

It's terrible to hear of this. The Tuskeegee Experiment was bad enough, now we see it was done elsewhere too.

IIRC, the Tuskeegee Experiment was the crime of medical inaction on a % of the "sample population" already infected by STDs, thereby creating a double blind test. Really bad of course, but this seems worse if true, because a captive audience was infected purposely from the get-go.

MakiSupaStar · #4 10-01-2010, 04:32 PM

IconBasser · #5 10-01-2010, 04:33 PM

Jesus, that's horrible!

MatticusMania · #6 10-01-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bassrique

IIRC, the Tuskeegee Experiment was the crime of medical inaction on a % of the "sample population" already infected by STDs, thereby creating a double blind test. Really bad of course, but this seems worse if true, because a captive audience was infected purposely from the get-go.

Is that so? I was under the impression that some 'participants' in the Tuskeegee experiment were purposefully infected.

bassrique · #7 10-01-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MatticusMania

Is that so? I was under the impression that some 'participants' in the Tuskeegee experiment were purposefully infected.

OK, I was half-wrong. I thought 50% were given treatment and 50% a placebo, but it seems none were treated, nor were they told what they were infected with. [They came in already infected.] The government wanted to see what would happen if they were left untreated so as to witness the natural progression of the disease[es].

Dr. Cheese · #8 10-01-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MatticusMania

Is that so? I was under the impression that some 'participants' in the Tuskeegee experiment were purposefully infected.

bassrique is right. In Tuskeegee, the government allowed infected people to go without treatment and without knowledge of their infection just to see what would happen. Even when treatment became available, the men were denied medicine. In Guatemala, it seems the government delibrately infected people or put them in situations that would certainly enhance the chance of infection.

The same doctor did both, he should have been tried for crimes against humanity because what he did was not only unethical, it ultimately had not medical value either.

IconBasser · #9 10-01-2010, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

bassrique is right. In Tuskeegee, the government allowed infected people to go without treatment and without knowledge of their infection just to see what would happen. Even when treatment became available, the men were denied medicine. In Guatemala, it seems the government delibrately infected people or put them in situations that would certainly enhance the chance of infection.

The same doctor did both, he should have been tried for crimes against humanity because what he did was not only unethical, it ultimately had not medical value either.

concur. This deserves a hanging.

MatticusMania · #10 10-01-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

bassrique is right. In Tuskeegee, the government allowed infected people to go without treatment and without knowledge of their infection just to see what would happen. Even when treatment became available, the men were denied medicine. In Guatemala, it seems the government delibrately infected people or put them in situations that would certainly enhance the chance of infection.

The same doctor did both, he should have been tried for crimes against humanity because what he did was not only unethical, it ultimately had not medical value either.

I see, my only misconception with the TE was that they were already infected, whereas I thought the govnt had infected them, as they did in Guatemala.

Still, this doesnt surprise me (maybe because Im reading Firestarter), but I bet experiments of this dubious nature happen all the time.

Dr. Cheese · #11 10-01-2010, 05:02 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege...lis_experiment

This is a very detailed Wikipedia link.

Linas · #12 10-01-2010, 07:13 PM

You should look up what they were doing with african americans and syphilis.

edit: didnt read all. yes tuskeegee was a mess. this **** is horrible.

DaveDeVille · #13 10-02-2010, 07:57 AM

terrible stuff ...

the American government experimenting on any person ,
without that persons full knowledge , is unacceptable ,
and should be treated as a criminal action .

aborgman · #14 10-02-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

The same doctor did both, he should have been tried for crimes against humanity because what he did was not only unethical, it ultimately had not medical value either.

While I agree that the Guatemala experiments were unethical - at the time they did think they would have medical value.

Another thing is that calling this "US STD experiments" is a bit off. The Guatemalan government and doctors were intimately involved in hopes of finding cures for their rampant STD problems.

bassrique · #15 10-02-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by aborgman

While I agree that the Guatemala experiments were unethical - at the time they did think they would have medical value.

Another thing is that calling this "US STD experiments" is a bit off. The Guatemalan government and doctors were intimately involved in hopes of finding cures for their rampant STD problems.

That is the dark rationale of the other side of the coin. I wonder if anything was learned?

vegas532 · #16 10-02-2010, 06:43 PM

A a second generation Agent Orange victim allow me to say that our government seems to have a long standing history of using people as free lab rats...particularly in wartime.

Thunderscreech · #17 10-02-2010, 07:28 PM

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Saldy, the Subject of Project MRK-W1750N escaped the facility has not been seen since.

Thunderscreech · #18 10-02-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vegas532

A a second generation Agent Orange victim allow me to say that our government seems to have a long standing history of using people as free lab rats...particularly in wartime.

...And the Japanese, and the Russians, and Nazi Germany, and Chinese...

popinfresh · #19 10-02-2010, 08:03 PM

This is still going on today. The Shock Doctrine is a good read for some similar topics.

I was also reading this just recently, it's not just the US;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience

vegas532 · #20 10-02-2010, 08:10 PM

All countries do it, believe me. But it amazes me that whenever someone asks me about my deformities and during my response I start talking about "Operation Ranch Hand" thay start in about me wearing tin foils hats...like our country would NEVER do something like that to its own people.

My father has been part of a class action lawsuit for the better part of 25 years and the government admits wrong doing, yet still denies the existence of Agent Orange babies in this country although there are government subsidized hospitals in Vietnam to care for such anomalies.