Voting w/ your money (NBA LOCKOUT CONTENT)

sandmangeck · #1 10-13-2011, 07:28 PM

I guess I've gotten tired of all the lockouts, threatened lockouts since the Baseball one years ago. With the recent NBA lockout for the first ten games, it's tipped me over the edge.
Millions and Millions of dollars paid to both sides, and the babies can't make an agreement.
But when it boils down to it you, the viewer, purchaser of tickets, hats, jerseys, etc, etc pony up the majority of the funds for the schenanigans they pull. I quit watching baseball when they locked out. I quit watching the NBA the last time they pulled this. I keep up with the Raiders, but am rarely able to catch a game.
I realize I have already pretty much done what I'm bringing up. But, I think everyones pay within said organizations would take a pretty dramatic dive, if, we voted with our dollars, our views, our time.
(END RANT)

fenderhutz · #2 10-13-2011, 07:32 PM

People are sheeple. They will complain until it's over and go back to drinking beers, buying jerseys, and watching games. They will tolerate whatever is fed to them.

Talk about an excess of culture. Some NBA players are making more in a year than all the teachers in my high school I went to combined.

Yummy yummy greed. Players and owners. Set a standard of pay at $200,000 for all players. Then give bonuses every game based on a set scale for performance. I would actually watch sports again if team loyaly instead of the highest bidder still existed. It drew you in to follow a career, and it was fun. Imagine of Michael Jordan team hopped every two years? Those years he played at Chicago were golden and drew me in. I don' even care to watch anymore.

sandmangeck · #3 10-13-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

Yummy yummy greed. Players and owners. Set a standard of pay at $200,000 for all players. Then give bonuses every game based on a set scale for performance..

That is a good idea. But they would still be raking in more money then the majority of doctors.

MJ5150 · #4 10-13-2011, 10:05 PM

I gave up on the NBA years ago. I'm still mad about the NFL lockout, so I have only watched one NFL game this year. I haven't bought any NFL merchandise either. If I can make it another month or so, I think I'll mostly be over the NFL too. I'll maintain some interest, but no more flying around the country to go to games and spending hundreds of dollars on gear.

-Mike

Selta · #5 10-13-2011, 10:13 PM

I'm with Mike. NFL lockout ruined it entirely for me. Seeing these people for what they -all- really are was enlightening. I did not watch a single game or anything this year. I won't, either. I don't even go into the NFL threads here on TB anymore. I have better things to do with that time, so I'm glad to have it back.

waleross · #6 10-13-2011, 11:23 PM

Both sides are shooting themselves in the foot. After a great season last year, it will takes years to make up what they had. Until the NFL season is done, people won't miss them much. The big stars can cry and "tweet" all they want to keep their names in the media but until they really are missing paychecks we wont have a settlement...............

Dirk Diggler · #7 10-14-2011, 08:22 AM

I think you are all complaining about the wrong people, it's really the owners that don't want to cough up the money that's the problem.

I agree though about the money, if people weren't paying none of this would be an issue. If nobody goes to games, watches them on TV or buys merchandise, it all goes away.

I wonder if that tactic would work with the financial world?

Dirk

aborgman · #8 10-14-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

Yummy yummy greed. Players and owners. Set a standard of pay at $200,000 for all players. Then give bonuses every game based on a set scale for performance.

You're going to do the same for owners also, right?

fenderhutz · #9 10-14-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aborgman

You're going to do the same for owners also, right?

The owners buy the team as an investment. If they make money while paying a MORE than fair wage at 200k per year plus bonuses why would I care how much they make?

I want to see players WANT to play for the city they play in. Instead of just going there for a paycheck. This hired gun nonsense of paying someone 14 million per year just to sell jerseys has ruined the game (plural for all sports) for me.

If you do well you get paid more. Period. I am also not against paying a standard 200k salary then a portion of the proceeds from tickets and merch sales gets broken up. It encourages the entire team to be great instead of that one hyped up player.

You work together, you make more money. Could it cost the owners as much as they are paying now? Maybe, but it will make the sport (s) worth watching again.

aborgman · #10 10-14-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

The owners buy the team as an investment. If they make money while paying a MORE than fair wage at 200k per year plus bonuses why would I care how much they make?

The players train and learn skills as an investment. If they make money while allowing the owners of the team to make a MORE than fair wage at millions of dollars a year why would I care how much they make?

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

I want to see players WANT to play for the city they play in. Instead of just going there for a paycheck. This hired gun nonsense of paying someone 14 million per year just to sell jerseys has ruined the game (plural for all sports) for me.

Right... you want players (who are just plain old employees like you or I) to be held under some sort of work bondage.

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

If you do well you get paid more. Period.

Basically you're saying "The billionaire owners are too stupid to properly evaluate their employees and need to be protected from themselves"

Those $14 million contracts to disinterested sucks? A management decision.

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

I am also not against paying a standard 200k salary then a portion of the proceeds from tickets and merch sales gets broken up. It encourages the entire team to be great instead of that one hyped up player.

Well - it's already quite a bit like that. Basketball revenue is split at a certain percentage (57%-43% in the last CBA) between players and the league.

At the end of the year if player salaries exceed the percentage - money goes back to the owners. If salaries are under the percentage - the owners have to cough up money to the players.

Why do we need a rule? Can't management already do that? What is preventing them other than their own stupid decisions?

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

You work together, you make more money. Could it cost the owners as much as they are paying now? Maybe, but it will make the sport (s) worth watching again.

Why do we need a rule? Can't management already do that? What is preventing them other than their own stupid decisions?

Funky Ghost · #11 10-14-2011, 09:18 AM

I find it interesting that the players ( a minority of them to be sure ) are talking about creating their own league. I think it would be an eye opener for them to actually try and take on something as "simple" as owning and running a league.

Gaius46 · #12 10-14-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

The owners buy the team as an investment. If they make money while paying a MORE than fair wage at 200k per year plus bonuses why would I care how much they make?

I want to see players WANT to play for the city they play in. Instead of just going there for a paycheck. This hired gun nonsense of paying someone 14 million per year just to sell jerseys has ruined the game (plural for all sports) for me.

If you do well you get paid more. Period. I am also not against paying a standard 200k salary then a portion of the proceeds from tickets and merch sales gets broken up. It encourages the entire team to be great instead of that one hyped up player.

You work together, you make more money. Could it cost the owners as much as they are paying now? Maybe, but it will make the sport (s) worth watching again.

Players are by and large paid as well as they are because they make much more money for their employers. They're paid what they're worth - at least as judged by the people who sign the paychecks. And afterall their's is the only opinion that really counts.

If you don't like that stop buying tickets or watching games.

Personally I don't care. I don't watch sports.

rockstarbassist · #13 10-14-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

I think you are all complaining about the wrong people, it's really the owners that don't want to cough up the money that's the problem.

I agree though about the money, if people weren't paying none of this would be an issue. If nobody goes to games, watches them on TV or buys merchandise, it all goes away.

I wonder if that tactic would work with the financial world?

Dirk

lolwut

do you even know what NBA players make and what their revenue sharing is like? with the possible exception of a select handful of soccer clubs in the Premiere league, the NBA has far and away the highest paid athletes on average of any sport. plus considering it's probably the most "personal" major sports out there, you get endorsements in tons of places other "average" football or hockey players wouldn't. the owners "coughed up" the money in the last lockout, which is why they're holding fast this time...

there's a reason it's news in the NFL when someone signs a $90M or $100M contract over 5-6 years. in baseball there's a few teams that hand those out when they can. in the Association, pretty much every team in the top half or 3/4's of the league has a maxed-contract player. at first i kinda sided w/ the players but when you really think about how much guys like anyone you know on a first-name basis makes, with or without endorsements, i really think they can give up a few extra percentage points...

plus, you know (or should, anyway) that the NBA subsidizes the WNBA which according to Stern earlier this year loses on average $300M a season. that's something that is on his head and should be done away with but whatever.

i <3 hoops and have played my whole life so after the kickassedness of pretty much the last 3-4 seasons, this was a bad, bad move by both parties.

Dirk Diggler · #14 10-14-2011, 06:31 PM

That's exactly my point, everyone knows how much the players make, it's public record.

Can you tell me how much the owners make from any given team? I doubt it. They will only pay the bare minimum they are forced to pay. They aren't even doing the real work in the "game", LOL.

Dirk

Valiant Bandit · #15 10-14-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sandmangeck

I guess I've gotten tired of all the lockouts, threatened lockouts since the Baseball one years ago. With the recent NBA lockout for the first ten games, it's tipped me over the edge.
Millions and Millions of dollars paid to both sides, and the babies can't make an agreement.
But when it boils down to it you, the viewer, purchaser of tickets, hats, jerseys, etc, etc pony up the majority of the funds for the schenanigans they pull. I quit watching baseball when they locked out. I quit watching the NBA the last time they pulled this. I keep up with the Raiders, but am rarely able to catch a game.
I realize I have already pretty much done what I'm bringing up. But, I think everyones pay within said organizations would take a pretty dramatic dive, if, we voted with our dollars, our views, our time.
(END RANT)

+10000.

I used to be a huge sports fanatic - a walking encyclopedia of sports knowledge and passion.

Guess what? I haven't watched a sports game in over 2 years now.

These "athletes" don't play for the team or their fans, they play (and I use that term loosely) for themselves. So you know what? I watch women's college softball games on ESPN (sometimes). I also like watching kids play baseball, but you know what? I noticed a lot of them pick up some real bad habits that the "Pros" have.

Plus (Yes you can make fun of me for this.) I think sports games are fixed.

tastybasslines · #16 10-15-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

That's exactly my point, everyone knows how much the players make, it's public record.

Can you tell me how much the owners make from any given team? I doubt it. They will only pay the bare minimum they are forced to pay. They aren't even doing the real work in the "game", LOL.

Dirk

LOL, are you kidding? They don't do the "real work" in the game?

Last year, the players made 58% of all revenue, without taking on ANY of the risk, while the owners lost a ton.. The owners do, and laid out huge sums of money to own a team. It's an investment, they are not there to exist just so the players can play. If the players want a true partnership, let them take on 50% of all losses too, but they won't. Instead we will hear things like what a good guy Bosh is who is only taking 15 mill a year instead of being "greedy".

And if I hear one more NBA player say, "We have to feed our families", I'm going to go postal.

What a joke.

MJ5150 · #17 10-15-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant Bandit

These "athletes" don't play for the team or their fans, they play (and I use that term loosely) for themselves.

Are you any different? I know I'm not.

I go to work for me, to benefit myself and my family. If my current employer cuts my pay or refuses to pay me what I'm worth, I'll be looking for another job tomorrow.

-Mike

MJ5150 · #18 10-15-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

Can you tell me how much the owners make from any given team? I doubt it.

It's not hard to find out. There are documented and public cases of some owners losing money on a yearly basis. We also know of owners who make money while owning their team and even more when they sell it.

-Mike