Walking Dead Season 3

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

I wouldn't call it filler, too fast-paced, but it was definitely a "character development" episode.

I wonder how long till Carol turns up?

All due respect, I have a feeling that they could have Jar Jar Binks stroll in and you'd still rain praise down on this show.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Again, just relax. There are reasons for everything.

You are missing my point though. I don't care about the reasons. It bothers me that this is the method they are using to develop the show...show a bunch of crazy, stupid stuff, and then leave people hanging as to why. Of course they'll show the "reasons" why later, but there will be new crazy, stupid stuff happening then that will have new new crazy, stupid reasons that are yet to be revealed. This is exactly what 7 years of "Lost" was all about, and it was horrible, at least in my opinion. I'm not a curious person by nature...I don't watch TV shows in order to find out WHY something happened that has already happened. I do like to watch to see what is going to happen next. I do like to watch shows because of the interaction of characters working through issues. If I have to start keeping up with a long list of questions that have yet to be answered for a TV show that runs 42 minutes per week, I'll lose interest very quickly. YMMV.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Darth Handsome

All due respect, I have a feeling that they could have Jar Jar Binks stroll in and you'd still rain praise down on this show.

Not at all. I just think everyone is making the "they jumped the shark" call a little too soon.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Eublet

You are missing my point though. I don't care about the reasons. It bothers me that this is the method they are using to develop the show...show a bunch of crazy, stupid stuff, and then leave people hanging as to why. Of course they'll show the "reasons" why later, but there will be new crazy, stupid stuff happening then that will have new new crazy, stupid reasons that are yet to be revealed. This is exactly what 7 years of "Lost" was all about, and it was horrible, at least in my opinion. I'm not a curious person by nature...I don't watch TV shows in order to find out WHY something happened that has already happened. I do like to watch to see what is going to happen next. I do like to watch shows because of the interaction of characters working through issues. If I have to start keeping up with a long list of questions that have yet to be answered for a TV show that runs 42 minutes per week, I'll lose interest very quickly. YMMV.

And that, my friend, is why we have remote controls.

I'm a huge fan. I make NO apologies for that. This is a fan thread.

I also watch the show each week with an open mind. This is TV, after all. The only expectation I have is that I am entertained.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

And that, my friend, is why we have remote controls.

I'm a huge fan. I make NO apologies for that. This is a fan thread.

Agreed. I was a big fan the past two seasons. This third season is losing me. I'm hoping they pull this thing out of the ditch. I'm afraid however that the huge popularity of the show and the influx of new production dollars is meaning they are dumbing it down for the masses. I hope I'm wrong, but so far it's not looking good.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Agreed. I was a big fan the past two seasons. This third season is losing me. I'm hoping they pull this thing out of the ditch. I'm afraid however that the huge popularity of the show and the influx of new production dollars is meaning they are dumbing it down for the masses. I hope I'm wrong, but so far it's not looking good.

The third season has to move fast because the prison story arc contains SO MUCH. There are several side stories, character development, plus whatever they add for TV.
I'm having a blast with this season.

It helps if you keep reminding yourself that zombies aren't real. This is a FANTASY show, so expecting realism is always going to create a letdown.

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The third season has to move fast because the prison story arc contains SO MUCH. There are several side stories, character development, plus whatever they add for TV.
I'm having a blast with this season.

It helps if you keep reminding yourself that zombies aren't real. This is a FANTASY show, so expecting realism is always going to create a letdown.

yep, agreed.
It's a decent show, I enjoy the hell out of it and since you have millions of people watching it, all with different outlooks and perspectives, you're NEVER going to reach a perfection where it appeals to everyone.
It's more enjoyable when not picked apart into little teeny super-analyzed pieces. Just MHO

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

The third season has to move fast because the prison story arc contains SO MUCH. There are several side stories, character development, plus whatever they add for TV.

The speed of the show isn't an issue.

It helps if you keep reminding yourself that zombies aren't real. This is a FANTASY show, so expecting realism is always going to create a letdown.

You're still missing my point. I like fantasy. I don't like writing that panders to keeping people guessing as to why things are happening. Watching a zombie flick shouldn't be a mystery, at least not for me. See my previous explanations. There are two cool things about ZA movies. One is the action/gore for some. I'm cool with that. The other is the concept of what it takes to survive. I think the previous two seasons captured some of both of that. I'm not sure where this 3rd season is going yet though. It doesn't seem to be much about survival at all though. It's developed into something else that I'm not liking thus far. We'll see where it goes. I'm a huge fan that is just concerned that they're changing the format of the show too much. "Lost" changed everything for TV like this, and not for the better IMO.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Relic

It's more enjoyable when not picked apart into little teeny super-analyzed pieces. Just MHO

AGREED 100%!!! Which is why I don't like the unanswered questions aspect of screenwriting because it forces the audience to start playing the "why" game in their heads and with one another. I get that Hollywood wants that because it generates water-cooler talk on Monday morning, but that doesn't make the show better IMO. It just makes it have more buzz, generate more money, and suck more people in who have an insatiable desire to know "Why?". That's not me. I think it's poor writing. Again though, YMMV.

[Darth Handsome]

You're nuts. It's still horribly flawed, but this season is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than last.

[Rip Topaz]

I think the constant unanswered question are probably just a case of "artistic license" by the writers.

What I mean is that being a TV show, creating a cliff-hanger each week becomes extremely important in order to keep the audience. If they wrapped everything up cleanly by the end of each episode, how many would continue to watch every week?

Robert Kirkman created a pretty large world with the Walking Dead, and to translate that to TV while keeping the loyal comic readers happy is a very large task. It's a graphic novel at its heart, so you kinda gotta remember that things won't always be clean and tidy, and things may be left unanswered because that part of the story just hasn't revealed itself to even the writers yet.

Do they go too far with some of it? Of course they do. Lets face it. In the real world, people survive. We watch the Walking Dead each week to see people get ripped apart, to see people with lives that are much more screwed up than our own. So yeah, if they can figure out how to work in Jar Jar, BRING IT ON!!

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

So yeah, if they can figure out how to work in Jar Jar, BRING IT ON!!

See?

[Eublet]

Last season was the best season IMO. I couldn't stand Lori and Carl like everyone else, but the reasons I couldn't stand them was because of their characters. That's cool I think. People hated them because of how they acted, but we all know people who act like that. It makes sense. Contrast that to Michonne. No one acts like that. It's stupid. You have no reason to like or dislike her at this point, unless you just think she's bad with a sword. Okay, but so what? Now Rick is going start acting all spacey and such it seems. Great...I can't wait. At least last season he was balancing trying to be a good, upright person while dealing with his best friend who thought protecting the group was all that mattered. That made sense. But Rick, who is the good person in the show (not concerned about the comics, remember) all the sudden can't show his wife any affection at all? Then when she dies, he goes postal? He can't comfort his son before grabbing an ax and heading into to wack some zombies? He can't look at his new born son? That's not realistic to me at all. I suppose I should accept that he is just caving under the pressure, that it's all getting to him. But I just can't think anyone would do something like that. So he's going crazy...okay. I guess I'll roll with that for a while, that is until I find out the reason is for something else.

I prefered TWD when it was a drama set in a ZA scenario with action mixed in to keep things lively. I don't want to sit through a guessing game as to what this might have meant, or what that might have meant. Show me real people living through tough times. That's good story writing. It is possible. The greatest novels in history are written based on such things. This new fad of writing TV shows where you never know "why" is tiresome. I hope I'm wrong about TWD.

[Rip Topaz]

Originally Posted by Darth Handsome

See?

Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Especially when watching a television drama about the zombie apocalypse.

[Rip Topaz]

This is a bit of a weird spot in the show for me.

The writers have said in interviews that they want to show how the Governor turns into the monster he really is, and that he isn't quite there yet. With that said, they are getting into material that just doesn't exist anywhere but on the tv show. Even the comic readers have no idea where it's going next.

I'm hoping that all of these loose ends wrap up into a season finale that leaves us all floored.

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

Nothing wrong with being a little crazy. Especially when watching a television drama about the zombie apocalypse.

Well, there goes your street cred.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

What I mean is that being a TV show, creating a cliff-hanger each week becomes extremely important in order to keep the audience. If they wrapped everything up cleanly by the end of each episode, how many would continue to watch every week?

I enjoy the conversation, and don't want to seem argumentative for no reason myself. Cliff hangers in TV go back for decades, so that's really not my issue either. You are pushing me to better describe what it is that bothers me with this style of TV, and for that I am thankful. So really, a better way to describe what I mean is saying that the writers are using ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. Does that make sense? I don't know...it's hard to describe. All I know is that when I watch a show, and at the end I have a long list of unanswered questions, then I'm disappointed. I don't finish the show thinking that I can't wait until next week to figure it out. I leave thinking that I know nothing about what just happened.

Maybe I'm just still bitter about "Lost" because they first 4-5 weeks of Season 1 was just great to me. But I quickly picked up on what was going on there, and forcefully suffered through 4 more seasons without missing a show, disgusted each time. That was stupidity on my part, but my wife loved the show so I watched it with her. It gave us (meaning her) something to talk about. I hated it.

I grew up watching some of the classic TV shows that had the greatest cliff-hangers ever. Anyone my age will remember "Who shot JR?" from the show "Dallas". Yeah, those were like prime-time soap operas, but it was great TV, though dated today. Each character had a personality. You found yourself pulling for one person while hoping the other got what they had coming. It was about the character development.

So far this season in TWD, who am I pulling for? No one. Who do I think has it coming? No one. Which person am I most like? Can't tell. At least last season that was going on with Carl, or Lori, or Rick, or Shane, or Darryl. Darrly isn't even the same person he was last season. Rick has changed personalities so many times it's hard to keep up. The two main characters in the show now, Rich and the Governor, are both certifiable I guess, but we're supposed to be wondering what the reason is for everything they do. I just don't like it. Sorry for venting this. I just hate to see my favorite show go down this path.

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Rip Topaz

This is a bit of a weird spot in the show for me.

The writers have said in interviews that they want to show how the Governor turns into the monster he really is, and that he isn't quite there yet. With that said, they are getting into material that just doesn't exist anywhere but on the tv show. Even the comic readers have no idea where it's going next.

I'm hoping that all of these loose ends wrap up into a season finale that leaves us all floored.

Um, there are a lot of us who didn't know the Governor is a "monster".

[Darth Handsome]

Originally Posted by Eublet

I enjoy the conversation, and don't want to seem argumentative for no reason myself. Cliff hangers in TV go back for decades, so that's really not my issue either. You are pushing me to better describe what it is that bothers me with this style of TV, and for that I am thankful. So really, a better way to describe what I mean is saying that the writers are using ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. Does that make sense? I don't know...it's hard to describe. All I know is that when I watch a show, and at the end I have a long list of unanswered questions, then I'm disappointed. I don't finish the show thinking that I can't wait until next week to figure it out. I leave thinking that I know nothing about what just happened.

Maybe I'm just still bitter about "Lost" because they first 4-5 weeks of Season 1 was just great to me. But I quickly picked up on what was going on there, and forcefully suffered through 4 more seasons without missing a show, disgusted each time. That was stupidity on my part, but my wife loved the show so I watched it with her. It gave us (meaning her) something to talk about. I hated it.

I grew up watching some of the classic TV shows that had the greatest cliff-hangers ever. Anyone my age will remember "Who shot JR?" from the show "Dallas". Yeah, those were like prime-time soap operas, but it was great TV, though dated today. Each character had a personality. You found yourself pulling for one person while hoping the other got what they had coming. It was about the character development.

So far this season in TWD, who am I pulling for? No one. Who do I think has it coming? No one. Which person am I most like? Can't tell. At least last season that was going on with Carl, or Lori, or Rick, or Shane, or Darryl. Darrly isn't even the same person he was last season. Rick has changed personalities so many times it's hard to keep up. The two main characters in the show now, Rich and the Governor, are both certifiable I guess, but we're supposed to be wondering what the reason is for everything they do. I just don't like it. Sorry for venting this. I just hate to see my favorite show go down this path.

Do what I do: cheer for the zombies.

[spade2you]

We're complaining about this episode? Really?





I'll tell you who made the call. Scroll down.













Rick won a cruise.