walmart security

[sloasdaylight]

Originally Posted by IPA

Wow, scary thread.

People worry about the government eroding our rights, from the looks of it a lot of people here will just hand them over anyway.

+1.

This whole, if you're not breaking the law, you have nothing to fear when some one stops and searches you without probable cause thing is disconcerting, to say the least.

[MJ5150]

The thing is, the person who stopped you doesn't know that, that's why they need to ask. In their opinion, you may have acted in a way that led them to believe you may be stealing. They don't want to waste their time with someone innocent anymore than you want to waste your time being bothered. Answer the question, move on. No need to feel violated or lecture someone making $8 an hour about civics and the constitution.

-Mike

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by MJ5150

The thing is, the person who stopped you doesn't know that, that's why they need to ask. In their opinion, you may have acted in a way that led them to believe you may be stealing. They don't want to waste their time with someone innocent anymore than you want to waste your time being bothered. Answer the question, move on. No need to feel violated or lecture someone making $8 an hour about civics and the constitution.

-Mike

If they don't know they shouldn't ask you any thing.

Ask when they know.


I remember once in a major grocery store I was putting my cell phone in my pocket and a cashier told security that I had stolen some thing, so about 7 security guards surrounded me and told me that they wanted me to go in the back room with them. I held my ground and yelled for the cashier that accused me of stealing to call the police since she thought I had stolen something.

While every one is waiting on the police to arrive I told the security guards that I was not going any where with them until the police came. And when the police came I told them what was going on and I told the police that all I had in my pocket was my cell phone and once it was verified that I had not stolen anything I left.


Now the main reason that I didn't go in the back room with security was because they could have done anything to me and actually put something on me and at the front of the door were a nice amount of witnesses.

[jmattbassplaya]

Originally Posted by Eric Perry

I'm suggesting that if you have nothing to hide, then what's the issue??

The issue is that no one has any right to violate my person. I shouldn't have to prove I have nothing to hide to anyone if I don't want to; just like no one should have to prove anything to me if they don't want.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

If they don't know they shouldn't ask you any thing.

Ask when they know.

????????????????????????????????

that makes a kind of bizarro sense.

kids in school should follow that advice.

don't ask if you don't know....ask ONLY IF YOU KNOW

hmmmmmm................

[bmc]

If the shoplifter wanted to get into stealing, he should have taken the safe route and gone into investment banking.

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

????????????????????????????????

that makes a kind of bizarro sense.

kids in school should follow that advice.

don't ask if you don't know....ask ONLY IF YOU KNOW

hmmmmmm................

If the security guard is watching you, as you walk thru the store he or she should be able to see if you shoplifted or not.


Why ask to search you if you've pretty much been watched every step of the way?

[bolophonic]

Mike, if someone hassled me in a store, I would politely tell them to buzz off and advise them to call the cops if they believed a crime had been committed. If they made any attempt to escalate the situation by detaining me or interfering with my ability to leave, then they would be committing a crime and I would definitely call the police. Forfeiting your rights, even to expedite a situation where you have done nothing wrong, is never the right thing to do. If everyone does it once or twice, then we have set millions of precedents for letting all of our rights slowly erode. Defending your rights is not supposed to be fun or easy.

[sloasdaylight]

Originally Posted by bolophonic

Mike, if someone hassled me in a store, I would politely tell them to buzz off and advise them to call the cops if they believed a crime had been committed. If they made any attempt to escalate the situation by detaining me or interfering with my ability to leave, then they would be committing a crime and I would definitely call the police. Forfeiting your rights, even to expedite a situation where you have done nothing wrong, is never the right thing to do. If everyone does it once or twice, then we have set millions of precedents for letting all of our rights slowly erode. Defending your rights is not supposed to be fun or easy.

+1

[Webtroll]

Isn't there a difference between standing up for your rights and bolting when you think you've been caught?

[MJ5150]

I see what you guys are saying. At this point, the scenario has changed from a guy asking to see what's in my pockets to someone physically detaining me. I would respond the same as you guys would if the situation became physical or threatening.

It's like when I walk out of Costco, there is a person standing at the exit who looks at my receipt and checks the items in my cart. They are operating under the assumption that everyone leaving the store may have stolen something. Is that a violation of my rights? When I agree to let the person examine my receipt and items purchased am I eroding the freedoms of people everywhere?

-Mike

[eyeballkid]

that's why I don't shop at Costco

[Eric Perry]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

that's why I don't shop at Costco

Compared to comparable stores (Walmart, Target, etc.) Costco's CEO makes substantially less than the others, and pays his workers substantially more. All this while Walmart employees continue to get shafted daily by the very company they work for. I'll choose Costco EACH and EVERY time.

[eyeballkid]

I don't shop at Walmart either... target VERY rarely.

[SteveC]

Cause of death...greed.

[JAUQO III-X]

The thing I hate the most is when I go into a store and I have my back pack with me and they ask me to check it, I tell them that I didn't come in there to steal and I just leave.

Now some may say why not just check the bag.


1.
Asking me to check my bag tells me that you are under the impression that I have entered your store to steal. Or you simply don't trust me. Why give you my money?


2.
Some times I have expensive things in my bag and you want me to trust you with my bag (some employees steal).

If that is the case then if I check my bag, allow me to inventory what's in it and when I leave, check to see if all contents are intact.

[Lonesomedave]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

The thing I hate the most is when I go into a store and I have my back pack with me and they ask me to check it, I tell them that I didn't come in there to steal and I just leave.

Now some may say why not just check the bag.


1.
Asking me to check my bag tells me that you are under the impression that I have entered your store to steal.


2.
Some times I have expensive things in my bag and you want me to trust you with my bag (some employees steal).

If that is the case then if I check my bag, allow me to inventory what's in it and when I leave, check to see if all contents are intact.

Dude!.....I think you are being paranoid.

as Carlos Santana once said his psychiatrist told him...."Carlos, the whole world doesn't wake up each day and think, 'How can we screw Carlos today?'...."

just sayin'

[IPA]

Originally Posted by Eric Perry

Compared to comparable stores (Walmart, Target, etc.) Costco's CEO makes substantially less than the others, and pays his workers substantially more. All this while Walmart employees continue to get shafted daily by the very company they work for. I'll choose Costco EACH and EVERY time.

Same. Plus the situation is different, legally, when you willfully enter and sign up for a membership store.

[MJ5150]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

that's why I don't shop at Costco

Do you shop at stores with security cameras? Secret shoppers? Loss prevention officers?

-Mike

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by Lonesomedave

Dude!.....I think you are being paranoid.[/IMG]

Dave I'm not paranoid at all.

My brain works with logic.

I am offended when I walk into a store and I am asked to check my bag. They should have nothing at all to say to me other that a possible hello and appreciate that I'm coming in to possibly spend money, money that I'm sure they need.


How would you feel if you went into a store with the intent to purchase something that you needed and some ones asks you to check your bag?

That is evidence that they do not trust you.