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Old 09-25-2009, 03:47 AM
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I heard this was in a trial phase in another state. Can't really confirm it as of right now though. But I know we talked about it in my Federal Government Class.

I don't like this at all. The government is urging people to conserve fuel and be energy efficient and it seems like they're punishing people for it now with potentiall higher taxes. I'm not even going to touch the tracking issue in the cars.


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I believe they are calling it the Unscrupulous Cash Grab bill.

I can't imagine anyone outside of the government thinking this is a good idea.
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Yep, it's damned if you do, and damned if you don't, when it comes to most consumption based tax systems.
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It would only make sense if the tax went down the more miles you put on in between tanks. If it works the other way, what is the incentive to conserve?

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I heard this was in a trial phase in another state. Can't really confirm it as of right now though. But I know we talked about it in my Federal Government Class.

I don't like this at all. The government is urging people to conserve fuel and be energy efficient and it seems like they're punishing people for it now with potentiall higher taxes. I'm not even going to touch the tracking issue in the cars.


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Ahhhh, this must be the Iowa test program [didn't click the link].

People are driving less and driving smaller cars, so the gas tax revenue is down. This is one idea to raise taxes w/out appearing to do so.

A government ordered GPS in my car? No thanks.
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I rank this right up there with confiscating private 401ks in the "bad idea hall of fame." I hope they do it, to be honest. I hope they track all private vehicles, grab retirement accounts, ban soft toilet paper (also being proposed), regulate what temp you can make your house (proposed in CA), ban incandescent lightbulbs, and just generally make such a nuisance of themselves that most people in America realize .gov is not their friends and start throwing the bums out.
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I rank this right up there with confiscating private 401ks in the "bad idea hall of fame." I hope they do it, to be honest. I hope they track all private vehicles, grab retirement accounts, ban soft toilet paper (also being proposed), regulate what temp you can make your house (proposed in CA), ban incandescent lightbulbs, and just generally make such a nuisance of themselves that most people in America realize .gov is not their friends and start throwing the bums out.
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How are you going calculate how many miles people drove between fill ups?
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How are you going calculate how many miles people drove between fill ups?
GPS, it isn't hard at all.

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How are you going calculate how many miles people drove between fill ups?
Does the OP's link specify that fill-ups are part of the equation? I thought it was a GPS measurement of miles driven, so they can mail you a bill.
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How are you going calculate how many miles people drove between fill ups?
They aren't going to calculate!! They're going to know!!

It'll all be made possible by a small tracking device that will be injected just under your skin.
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Here's a 2007 link on the subject:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...20-roads_N.htm

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How are you going calculate how many miles people drove between fill ups?
I would assume that your GPS location isn't the only data they would send to "Big brother".

Using GPS it wouldn't' be hard to calculate a distance between points (assuming they log when you turn on the car and the GPS coordinate) and add them all up then send it to the pump.

A sweet idea technically speaking, however the execution is less than desirable on my end.

I would feel bad for my family that lives in the backwoods of GA that have to drive an hour to get to work and barely make enough to make ends meet to end up having to be subjected to these type of shenanigans.

here's an Idea "Big Brother", so spending our tax dollars on frivolous things.
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Why is it so difficult to increase the tax of the petrol itself? If you're going to drive a guzzler, a fuel tax is more than enough to burn the guzzlers (and you can then reduce car tax to benefit those who drive more efficiently)

EDIT: No, wait, they want to take the efficient vehicles MORE? Kudos to the petrol lobby...

Its more like road tax than petrol tax the way i see it -
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It's not going to happen. Just because it has been proposed doesn't mean it's going to get legs. Just a local news station sensationalizing.
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