Websites like Talkbass might one day become unavailable

SirCanealot · #1 04-22-2008, 05:06 PM

This website and many others might become very hard to visit and use and eventually even taken out of your ISP's package in the future.

Now is the time to boycott those that want to control what you see:

Watch this short video about Net Neutrality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcRdWdJpbTA (IGNORE the title, all their videos are like that)

If you are not aware of the net neutrality issue, you best wake up now. The websites you can visit freely now could get "chained" if nobody takes action.

Apoligies if this has been talked about already -- I believe it's an issue that everyone should at least be "aware" of in some way.

Have fun! And check out their other videos if you're bored -- hilarious

Stanley Design · #2 04-22-2008, 05:13 PM

Canada will never dictate what I can see on here, so I don't have to worry. Noone can kill the internet, they can just stop the people they control from using it.

nbw · #3 04-23-2008, 10:15 PM

Bump.

I'm a little surprised to see how little interest this subject has even on talkbass. doing a quick search on net neutrality here I see there have been far more discussions based on farts then this..

GeneralElectric · #4 04-23-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Stanley

Canada will never dictate what I can see on here, so I don't have to worry. Noone can kill the internet, they can just stop the people they control from using it.

Never say never as I always say.

You can't google democracy in China...

If you think "Oh, I live here, I'll never have to worry..." think again. Once other countries allow it, it will become more acceptable and then eventually might make its way to Canada.

James Hart · #5 04-23-2008, 10:33 PM

simple solution... switch providers. Truthfully I don't see this happening.

GeneralElectric · #6 04-23-2008, 10:37 PM

Virgin has been trying to do this for awhile now...

SirCanealot · #7 04-24-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hart

simple solution... switch providers. Truthfully I don't see this happening.

What happens if all the providers start doing it?

Or what happens if you switch and 6 months down the line your provider starts doing it?

Most contracts here in the UK are now 18 months mininum. Will you be paying the £50 charge to break the contract and switch providers?

It's easy to say "Nah, they'll still be some providers not doing it", but if you keep quiet about it now, what if it becomes so normal that everyone ends up doing it? Or websites have to pay out $$$ so everyone can access them?

As they said in that video, give them an inch, and they'll end up having taken a mile...

peterbright · #8 04-24-2008, 02:36 PM

The world will end first

TrooperFarva · #9 04-24-2008, 02:36 PM

It'd be murder on an ISPs business for them to suddenly limit what websites you can and can not go to. There's also no way they'd all do it, the market is too competitive for them for all of them to only offer limited services, and stay that way.

SirCanealot · #10 04-24-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TrooperFarva

It'd be murder on an ISPs business for them to suddenly limit what websites you can and can not go to. There's also no way they'd all do it, the market is too competitive for them for all of them to only offer limited services, and stay that way.

So why is a huge company like Virgin thinking they can do it? (and exactly! We have to teach them that they can't!)

If you're joe blogs (idiot on the internet :P) and youtube is running extremely slowly, but Virgin Video is running fine, which would you use?

While I agree with you completely, the worrying thing is how big a company Virgin is (to me at least)

XtreO · #11 04-24-2008, 03:14 PM

Stupidest title ever

What on earth did it have to do with the clip?

Anyways, it will never happen here. Maybe in Sovjet Russia, where internet provider browse YOU, but not in Scandinavia.

SirCanealot · #12 04-24-2008, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XtreO

Stupidest title ever

What on earth did it have to do with the clip?

Anyways, it will never happen here. Maybe in Sovjet Russia, where internet provider browse YOU, but not in Scandinavia.

+1 for soviet russia joke

All their videos are like that. Check out the WoW and Guitar Hero related ones. Comedy gold!

MonetBass · #13 04-24-2008, 03:36 PM

Sorry guys, but this is true. Check this out:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/neutrality.asp

It likely won't happen, because many of the online big businesses (Amazon, eBay, iTunes, etc.) will raise a big stink I'm sure. But it wouldn't hurt to let your congressman know you're concerned.

69nites · #14 04-24-2008, 03:40 PM

all they'll do is make criminals out of people who circumvent their system

like for example me.

this is really old news and isn't going to happen in the united states ever.

Stanley Design · #15 04-24-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SirCanealot

So why is a huge company like Virgin thinking they can do it? (and exactly! We have to teach them that they can't!)

No we don't, they already realize they can't, which is why they aren't. Maybe they'd like to, but I'd like to do a lot of things I can't too.

James Hart · #16 04-24-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MonetBass

Sorry guys, but this is true. Check this out:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/neutrality.asp

you are quoting a 2 year old source....

If this is ever happening on any scale, it will solely done by an individual users internet provider... most areas have choices.

I make my living with a company that relies on users with broadband connections on an international level (not worldwide, but in no less than 5+ countries). I deal with national and international backbone providers on daily basis.

I'm not concerned even the slightest bit over this.

Baryonyx · #17 04-24-2008, 04:00 PM

DOWN WITH FASCISTS

**Josh Ryan** · #18 04-24-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris2112

DOWN WITH FASCISTS

Excellent.

jive1 · #19 04-24-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by James Hart

you are quoting a 2 year old source....

If this is ever happening on any scale, it will solely done by an individual users internet provider... most areas have choices.

I make my living with a company that relies on users with broadband connections on an international level (not worldwide, but in no less than 5+ countries). I deal with national and international backbone providers on daily basis.

I'm not concerned even the slightest bit over this.

Even if you have ISP choices (many places do not), the backbone is still owned by just a few providers.

Right now, I agree with you. The performance hit an ISP or backbone provider would take by filtering and rerouting packets would be substantial enough to prevent them from doing it. But, there is Quality of Service technology to limit bandwidth based on packets so there is already something in place. Now, if technology advanced so that this can be done with a minimal performance hit, seamlessly without any additional cost to the company, I can see many reasons why a company might do this. Security and performance being some of them.

James Hart · #20 04-24-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jive1

Even if you have ISP choices (many places do not), the backbone is still owned by just a few providers.

backbone sized transport doesn't 'see' the packets enough to prioritize them... at least in my experiences at my current place and previous 'service provider' and CLEC level employers

Sure there are QoS tech... but that is so limited in scope. It's more LAN through Enterprise policy at best, not the whole of the net. There are no set standards implemented in all the carrier class routers / switches... nothing that will work across Cisco, Juniper, Foundry, etc.