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07-09-2010, 09:53 AM
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07-09-2010, 10:11 AM
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1. There are some ***holes who are looking for an excuse to get rowdy and violent. Any excuse will do. That covers some of them. And there were plenty of those in the Oakland crowd last night. Quote: |
Many of the arrestees were professional "anarchist" agitators who were not from Oakland and wore bandannas, hoods or black face paint, police said.
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2. Mob mentality - when you're in a big group, it's easy to get swept along. Mobs are by nature an ugly beast, prone to violence.
3. A sense of outrage over what is perceived as an injust sentance - leading to protests, and eventually, getting caught up in mob mentality.
4. Alternately, a sense of entitlement, leading to that same "getting caught up in mob" mentality.
Many more, I'm sure, but that covers a lot of it.
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07-09-2010, 10:13 AM
|  | That's the way uh huh uh huh I like it.. | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Robbinsville, NJ | | | Well I think it's an obvious case of misdirected anger, with an outcome similar to what we just saw in the recent riots in Toronto - where the message that the peaceful folks were trying to get across gets lost in the coverage of the damage done by the few bent on violence. The sad part is that this sort of behavior ends up creating incidents that only feeds more fuel into it.
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07-09-2010, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by kesslari
1. There are some ***holes who are looking for an excuse to get rowdy and violent. Any excuse will do.
| This pretty much sums it up. Look at L.A. when the Lakers win the NBA title or the Rodney King thing, or just about any event of any kind. Most involved have no idea what the spark is, just that it is an excuse to burn down and trash anything they can get their hands on. |
07-09-2010, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic Well I think it's an obvious case of misdirected anger, with an outcome similar to what we just saw in the recent riots in Toronto - where the message that the peaceful folks were trying to get across gets lost in the coverage of the damage done by the few bent on violence. The sad part is that this sort of behavior ends up creating incidents that only feeds more fuel into it. | I wouldn't compare the two events, they are MUCH different. What went on in Toronto was sponsored, organized, well planed and carried out by veteran "protesters". The same people show up at the same events no matter where they are held. |
07-09-2010, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker I wouldn't compare the two events, they are MUCH different. What went on in Toronto was sponsored, organized, well planed and carried out by veteran "protesters". The same people show up at the same events no matter where they are held. | Well I'm not comparing the nature of the two events, just the outcome - any sort of message that was trying to be sent was lost by the idiots burning and trashing. There were peaceful protesters at both events, how much coverage did they get by the media?
I just think that there are idiots out there who will use any excuse to rampage.
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07-09-2010, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic Well I'm not comparing the nature of the two events, just the outcome - any sort of message that was trying to be sent was lost by the idiots burning and trashing. There were peaceful protesters at both events, how much coverage did they get by the media?
I just think that there are idiots out there who will use any excuse to rampage. | Agreed. I just go out and shoot my guns up in the air, Iraqui style  I KEEEEEEEEEEEEED, I KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!! |
07-09-2010, 11:25 AM
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07-09-2010, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by elgecko Because nothing screams "JUSTICE" like scoring a new TV for free! |  |
07-09-2010, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by elgecko Because nothing screams "JUSTICE" like scoring a new TV for free! | No, you're not getting it - that's not "justice" that's called "sticking it to the man"... 
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07-09-2010, 11:37 AM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Maine/Vermont | | | I don't think you can hit this with the reductionist brush you're attempting to in the OP, but Kesslari's fairly on the money.
In regards to his points 1 & 2:
There are groups of people who have convinced themselves that violence is the only answer to what they see as the problems in our nation. I would say that those people are failing to evaluate the effectiveness of their own actions.
There are also people who are expressing their discontent through the mob mentality. Ineffective and counter-productive though it may be, the sentiment is still valid, IMO. |
07-09-2010, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Relic No, you're not getting it - that's not "justice" that's called "sticking it to the man"... | My statement was purely tognue-in-cheek (hence the tognue smiley). I know that the two aren't the same, and you know that the two aren't the same, but do you really believe that the average mob participant/looter can differentiate that in their head? I work on the assumption that we're not talking about intelligent, rational people here. |
07-09-2010, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by elgecko My statement was purely tognue-in-cheek (hence the tognue smiley). I know that the two aren't the same, and you know that the two aren't the same, but do you really believe that the average mob participant/looter can differentiate that in their head? I work on the assumption that we're not talking about intelligent, rational people here. | Oh no worries my sarcasm meter was peaking in this thread.
I pretty much agree 1000% with what folks have already been saying here.
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07-09-2010, 12:25 PM
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07-09-2010, 12:40 PM
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07-09-2010, 01:01 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Metro St. Louis | | | I think the disturbances were the result of a jury that tried to split the difference, and probably has ended up satisfying no one.
The Involuntary manslaughter verdict was pretty clearly a compromise. They didn't think what the cop did bad enough for him to spend twenty or thirty years in prison, but they new an outright acquittal would not fly.
For many, myself included, involuntary manslaughter is an insult because it implies simple negligence, and no malice at all. I do not think the evidence matches the conviction. Officer Mehserle was at least guilty of voluntary manslaughter, IMO.
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07-09-2010, 01:07 PM
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07-09-2010, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese I think the disturbances were the result of a jury that tried to split the difference, and probably has ended up satisfying no one.
The Involuntary manslaughter verdict was pretty clearly a compromise. They didn't think what the cop did bad enough for him to spend twenty or thirty years in prison, but they new an outright acquittal would not fly.
For many, myself included, involuntary manslaughter is an insult because it implies simple negligence, and no malice at all. I do not think the evidence matches the conviction. Officer Mehserle was at least guilty of voluntary manslaughter, IMO. | What does that have to do with the resulting rioting, property damage and injured LEO ?? I've been disgusted my many verdicts but never had the urge to pillage my village  |
07-09-2010, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FL Knifemaker What does that have to do with the resulting rioting, property damage and injured LEO ?? I've been disgusted my many verdicts but never had the urge to pillage my village | I think you know the answer, but it would not be anything you would find acceptable, so why should I bother to go there?
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07-09-2010, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kesslari There are a lot of reasons...
1. There are some ***holes who are looking for an excuse to get rowdy and violent. Any excuse will do. That covers some of them. And there were plenty of those in the Oakland crowd last night.
(from the SF Chronicle)
2. Mob mentality - when you're in a big group, it's easy to get swept along. Mobs are by nature an ugly beast, prone to violence.
3. A sense of outrage over what is perceived as an injust sentance - leading to protests, and eventually, getting caught up in mob mentality.
4. Alternately, a sense of entitlement, leading to that same "getting caught up in mob" mentality.
Many more, I'm sure, but that covers a lot of it. | Pretty much this. And the other post that mentions the riots in Toronto is right on as well. Funny how riots that happen after what are considered by many to be unjust verdicts are viewed quite differently than riots that occur in protest of the WTO and globalization   .
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