What is a "TOS violation"?

[malthumb]

I periodically see people being temporarily banned for TOS violation. What exactly is that and how do you know if you are violating TOS?

[Auzzie-Phoenix]

A TOS violation is a violation of forum rules. TOS stands for Terms Of Service. To avoid making a TOS violation, familiarize yourself with the forum rules and simply adhere to them. That should be enough to keep you out of trouble.

[Mark Latimour]

Originally Posted by malthumb

I periodically see people being temporarily banned for TOS violation. What exactly is that and how do you know if you are violating TOS?

Terms of Service (ie the forum rules) and you know if you are violating it because John Turner or Pacman or any of the other mods will send you a note saying you have an infraction. Generally if someone has been banned for a TOS violation it means that they have received too many infraction points over a set period and that results in a temporary ban. If someones user title says "Banned" only, then it means they are gone for good. There was some talk in the suggestion box of the Rules being clarified to explain how all this stuff worked, but I don't know if anything ever came of it.

[hover]

it's what you get when you forget to put the coversheet on your TOS reports. Didn't you get the memo?

[Rattman]

Originally Posted by Auzzie-Phoenix

A TOS violation is a violation of forum rules. TOS stands for Terms Of Service. To avoid making a TOS violation, familiarize yourself with the forum rules and simply adhere to them. That should be enough to keep you out of trouble.

Yes... read thru the TalkBass 'Rules' and avoid being banned or even just warned by the Mods here. This forum is definitely not the type where "anything goes" . . . thus worth protecting..

[john turner]

Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

Terms of Service (ie the forum rules) and you know if you are violating it because John Turner or Pacman or any of the other mods will send you a note saying you have an infraction. Generally if someone has been banned for a TOS violation it means that they have received too many infraction points over a set period and that results in a temporary ban. If someones user title says "Banned" only, then it means they are gone for good. There was some talk in the suggestion box of the Rules being clarified to explain how all this stuff worked, but I don't know if anything ever came of it.

we are working on making a clarification of the rules, as well as relaxing the infraction points/strictness of the system under certain conditions.

[lousybassplayer]

Originally Posted by hover

it's what you get when you forget to put the coversheet on your TOS reports. Didn't you get the memo?

Thats showing em the old O face.

[Thunderscreech]

Division by Zero

OH SH-

[bassrique]

Originally Posted by Thunderscreech

Division by Zero

OH SH-

I've seen that picture of the house many times before, but don't know what happened.



What could have done that?

[Jared Lash]

Quite a while back one of the mods had a post explaining the system. I'm sure there have been a few of them, but this one was from Jason Braatz. Here's what I recall.

Infractions can range from 1 to 20 (automatic permaban) points depending on the severity of the violation.

Infraction points stay active for a preset amount (three months or so I think) and if at any time you accumulate six active infraction points, you get an automatic one week ban. 10 points = 2 weeks, 15 points = 3 weeks and 20 points = gone for good.

I know that discussion about infraction points is verboten, but I do believe it's good for people to understand the system so I think the idea of a posted clarification is a good one.

And I think the vast majority understand what is and isn't in the rules as well as what is a minor crossing of the line vs an egregious violation, I do think it would be a good idea to give some examples of the kind of behavior that results in larger than average infraction points being handed out.

Again, I don't have any problems with the current system, but I do think making it more transparent is a good idea.

[Tim Cole]

Return of Money?

[Pacman]

Originally Posted by Jared Lash

Quite a while back one of the mods had a post explaining the system. I'm sure there have been a few of them, but this one was from Jason Braatz. Here's what I recall.

Infractions can range from 1 to 20 (automatic permaban) points depending on the severity of the violation.

Infraction points stay active for a preset amount (three months or so I think) and if at any time you accumulate six active infraction points, you get an automatic one week ban. 10 points = 2 weeks, 15 points = 3 weeks and 20 points = gone for good.

I know that discussion about infraction points is verboten, but I do believe it's good for people to understand the system so I think the idea of a posted clarification is a good one.

And I think the vast majority understand what is and isn't in the rules as well as what is a minor crossing of the line vs an egregious violation, I do think it would be a good idea to give some examples of the kind of behavior that results in larger than average infraction points being handed out.

Again, I don't have any problems with the current system, but I do think making it more transparent is a good idea.

Your concept is right, but your numbers are all wrong. I'll wait until the admins bring out the clarification.

[john turner]

Originally Posted by Jared Lash

Quite a while back one of the mods had a post explaining the system. I'm sure there have been a few of them, but this one was from Jason Braatz. Here's what I recall.

Infractions can range from 1 to 20 (automatic permaban) points depending on the severity of the violation.

Infraction points stay active for a preset amount (three months or so I think) and if at any time you accumulate six active infraction points, you get an automatic one week ban. 10 points = 2 weeks, 15 points = 3 weeks and 20 points = gone for good.

I know that discussion about infraction points is verboten, but I do believe it's good for people to understand the system so I think the idea of a posted clarification is a good one.

And I think the vast majority understand what is and isn't in the rules as well as what is a minor crossing of the line vs an egregious violation, I do think it would be a good idea to give some examples of the kind of behavior that results in larger than average infraction points being handed out.

Again, I don't have any problems with the current system, but I do think making it more transparent is a good idea.

the reason why it may seem that the system is not that transparent is the rules governing the system have evolved over time, and are still evolving.

for instance, the random point amt for infractions is now mainly gone. we have pre-packaged infractions that cover 99% of the violations that are prone to happen, and they have hard-coded point values of 2 pts for an initial offense and 4 for a repeat offense. 6 pts gets an initial ban of 7 days. subsequent ban is 30 days, and then permanent.

this is one of the elements that might be changing, as we (Admins) discuss this further - we're contemplating lowering the point values or increasing the threshold before a ban is incurred. we do not want the system to be perceived as pointlessly strict or draconian.

we will be letting all you folks know the particulars as soon as we hack em out.

[malthumb]

Originally Posted by Mark Latimour

Terms of Service (ie the forum rules) and you know if you are violating it because John Turner or Pacman or any of the other mods will send you a note saying you have an infraction. Generally if someone has been banned for a TOS violation it means that they have received too many infraction points over a set period and that results in a temporary ban. If someones user title says "Banned" only, then it means they are gone for good. There was some talk in the suggestion box of the Rules being clarified to explain how all this stuff worked, but I don't know if anything ever came of it.

Okay, this is what I was trying to understand. There's "BANNED" and there's "TEMPORARILY BANNED FOR TOS VIOLATION" and I didn't see anywhere in the FAQs that delineated between the two. Now, I figured that if I was to post John Turner's double-neck melt-top on eBay I'd be on my way to "BANNED" but I was not certain what sort of things lead to "TEMPORARILY BANNED FOR TOS VIOLATION". JT, Jared, Mark, and Pacman, your posts have helped clarify.

Peace,

James

[Darkstrike]

Originally Posted by bassrique

What could have done that?

Photoshop?

[bassrique]

Originally Posted by Darkstrike

Photoshop?

That could very well be, but for conversation's sake, I'm hoping for a semi-natural phenomenon, like a giant bowling ball falling out of a truck from the adjacent road on the hill.

[L-A]

Originally Posted by Darkstrike

Photoshop?

An artist.

http://www.designverb.com/2007/06/11/tunnel-house/

[Stinsok]

Tao of Steve?

[Muusers]

Originally Posted by bassrique

I've seen that picture of the house many times before, but don't know what happened.



What could have done that?

How about, they built it that way? You know some people are retarded right?

[Darkstrike]

Originally Posted by L-A

An artist.

http://www.designverb.com/2007/06/11/tunnel-house/

Ok, thats just awesome, I was just taking a wild stab in the dark.