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12-12-2012, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by duff beer  Currency exists because it is a much better form of barter...it is universal and can be used by all of society for all products. Bartering chickens only works when the person you are dealing with wants a chicken. | Currency also exists because it's smaller and can come in amounts that range from very small to extremely large. You want to trade 1 to 10,000 chickens or a few cents to $50,000?
What is the conversion rate when one person has a flock of chickens and the other has a few head of cattle? |
12-12-2012, 09:32 AM
|  | Gettin' medieval on yo' bass... | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Like old Hampshire, but New | | Quote:
Originally Posted by BassClef 2010 Hey, guys, I just finished an opinion piece in favor of a moneyless, gift society. Would anyone be interested in reading it?
BTW, I found this video to misrepresent the movement's ideals. | An economy built on gift exchange? Have you read Marcel Mauss' The Gift? Gift-giving as a mode of exchange is at LEAST as bitterly competitive, if not more so, than currency transactions. The scale of gifts and the choice of recipients is a medium for INTENSE status competition. If you have your essay posted somewhere, I'll take a look at it, but you'll have your work cut out for you to persuade me that this would be the key to a more peaceful and prosperous society.
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12-12-2012, 10:13 AM
| | i like to get a coupla' cocktails in me | | Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: One Shot Kid, TX | | | who's going to do all the work so we can have "free" stuff?? :facepalm: |
12-12-2012, 10:38 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2009 Location: SF Bay Area/California | | | Imagine, no possesions. I wonder if you can...
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12-12-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by guitardefector Imagine, no possesions. I wonder if you can... | Its easy if you try.
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12-12-2012, 11:21 AM
|  | Pardon my driving, I'm reloading | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: San Diego/LA | | | Get rid of all of the lazy and entitled folks and perhaps that would be a good start. Why should I help build your house or pay for one for myself when I can sit back and have someone give me one? I love the Amish and house raising, but it's not as rosy and loving as it sounds in Lancaster PA.
There was a lady on the news a few months back with 6 kids (and later determined not a US citizen) complaining that her free government paid for house (our taxes) that needed repair wasn't being replaced with a "nice enough" other FREE house. When asked who was paying for it and the utilities she said "No one." The reporter said..."Really? No one? I'm paying for it lady as are other taxpayers." It made me sick.
Anyone that assumes a world without money would even remotely be productive isn't in touch with reality. |
12-12-2012, 11:51 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: West Coast | | | Okay, I watched the video. It was filled with nonsensical notions and hypotheses. But to sum it up neatly, listen to what the narrator says @ 2:11.
"MONEY CAUSES MISERY TO ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF IT".
False!. The existence of money isnt causing any misery. Its the LACK of it which brings misery. Money is just a trading tool. If you take it away, something must replace it for any trade to take place. Earth Credits? World Duckets? i dunno...but there has to be something to measure an individuals wealth. Without it, the individual lacks motivation to be productive, and society will quickly collapse.
imo. |
12-12-2012, 11:55 AM
|  | KEED SPILLS..no, wait..PILL SKEEDS..SKILL PEEDS? | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nashville, Cats | | JOHN LENNON- imagine all the people, sharing all the world.
from one of the richest people to ever pick up a guitar, living in a NY penthouse when he wrote that song.......'nuff said 
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12-12-2012, 11:57 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Greenville, NC USA | | | Incentive. That is what money provides for society. GIVING it to those who don't earn it takes the INCENTIVE out of the equation. This allows those with no natural drive to just sit back and take. If you took money out of the equation, this would only make the problem of free loaders WORSE, not better. There will always be those who think they deserve whatever they need just because they woke up today.
Money is not, and never has been the problem. It is, and always has been lazy people. If everyone were greedy, everyone would work to get more. If everyone worked to get more, things would get done. Greedy isn't nearly as much of a drain on the system as lazy.
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12-12-2012, 11:59 AM
| | KEED SPILLS..no, wait..PILL SKEEDS..SKILL PEEDS? | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nashville, Cats | | Quote:
Originally Posted by two fingers ..... Greedy isn't nearly as much of a drain on the system as lazy. | the whole quote is brilliant...but i think this sums it up nicely...completely i might say.
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12-12-2012, 12:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Greenville, NC USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonesomedave JOHN LENNON- imagine all the people, sharing all the world.
from one of the richest people to ever pick up a guitar, living in a NY penthouse when he wrote that song.......'nuff said | And lest we forget he died a..... well.......... let's just say his political beliefs at his death weren't what you might think. I'll just leave it at that so that I don't get into my own opinions here.
Here he is with his custom painted Rolls.
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12-12-2012, 12:44 PM
|  | I wanna be...say, what day is it today, Ted? | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Location, Location | | | Yeah, all you need is love is a pretty daft sentiment, if you ask me. But I would take it over money, if I could only have one or the other.
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Originally Posted by hover tell him the cab could double as a pulpit. A gloriously rawkin pulpit. | |
12-12-2012, 01:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: West Coast | | | Sweet. When everything becomes free, im gonna be driving one of these bad boys: |
12-12-2012, 01:50 PM
| | I wanna be...say, what day is it today, Ted? | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Location, Location | | Quote:
Originally Posted by skychief Sweet. When everything becomes free, im gonna be driving one of these bad boys: | If everything's free, who's gonna build it?
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Originally Posted by hover tell him the cab could double as a pulpit. A gloriously rawkin pulpit. | |
12-12-2012, 01:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2012 Location: United States | | | Honest to god, I am truly amazed. This is one of the first times I've ever seen money discussed without an argument breaking out that just turns into name calling. No "You dirty liberals!" or "You're just an ignorant bigot!" Or what about the classic "You're a left/right wing nutjob!"
I'm not sure what to make of this right now.... |
12-12-2012, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bassinplace If everything's free, who's gonna build it? | Why would it need to be built... its already been. Theres even a picture of one.
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12-12-2012, 02:18 PM
| | KEED SPILLS..no, wait..PILL SKEEDS..SKILL PEEDS? | | Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nashville, Cats | | Quote:
Originally Posted by MatticusMania Why would it need to be built... its already been. Theres even a picture of one. | yeah.....BUT....something tells me, there may just be more than one person who calls "mine" when they offer it free to the public
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12-12-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by skychief Yes, I think everything should be free. For everybody!. We could all live in 36-bedroom, gazillion-dollar mansions. Our "beater" car is a Bentley!! LOL. Our housekeepers no longer require payment for their services. Hey, they just love to clean houses, right?.. Hospital visits? Freee!!! The doctors no longer require payment. They're just so damn happy that you'll allow them to provide you quality health care!!
.....and then we wake up. 
This guy (in the video link) is so incredibly disconnected from reality, its laughable.
It would be better presented in cartoon format, imo. | It is in cartoon format for the cartoon generation. Exemplified by each and every comment equating greed with people who have more. As opposed to aspiring to work as hard to get to the same place. They prefer to work as little as possible yet reap the same reward. (Social justice....LMFAO) Kind of like all those kids getting trophies just for participating. The video is perfect for the 2 most recent generations. Poorly researched, full of useless platitudes, and drowning in want for everything they are too lazy to achieve. |
12-12-2012, 02:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2009 Location: SF Bay Area/California | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonjrx Honest to god, I am truly amazed. This is one of the first times I've ever seen money discussed without an argument breaking out that just turns into name calling. No "You dirty liberals!" or "You're just an ignorant bigot!" Or what about the classic "You're a left/right wing nutjob!"
I'm not sure what to make of this right now.... | Aw, this is mild stuff, Demonjrx. Try bartending for two to three years. That's were you meet the 'real' bad boys and loudmouths. Not to mention threats on your life. 
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12-12-2012, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lonesomedave yeah.....BUT....something tells me, there may just be more than one person who calls "mine" when they offer it free to the public | Well, either get there first or take it by force.
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