Zero Point Technology

[AlembicPlayer]

Just wanted to see if anyone here knows about this technology.
Is it possible we are being duped and free energy is available to us but being held back by the powers that be?
Do we really need to burn any fuel at all?

please contribute anything you may know on this subject.

maybe it's time to talk about this stuff....seems to me, if this really is here, then the whole auto bailout thing is a farce and we are being played the fool.

I found this youtube info very interesting. It seems there are machines in use right now using free energy, heating systems and cars running for free.

Is this real or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkC-Ot27BkM

[L-A]

Even from my amateur point of view, this video is too uneven. It dances between acknowledged scientific discoveries and obscure pseudo-scientific rumors.

Zero point has been proven to exist to some extent, but the use of this residual energy would imply breaking the thermodynamic system from which we're extracting it. It's probably not "available", and probably finite.

However, research is good. I just won't expect it to change the world until reliable data is available.

[Georynn]

Sure I got one... It powers my gate *...





















*-Stargate reference = NERD

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Zero point energy is a quantum mechanical term, all it is, is the ground state. Also, quantum vacuum flux exists, but on such a small state its nothing more than a tiny force (read up on Casimir force).

Dont know what people are expecting from it.

What that video seems to think is that it can be used to make some sort of perpetual motion generator (which doesnt exist, and never will).

[BruisedOoze]

Originally Posted by AlembicPlayer

Just wanted to see if anyone here knows about this technology.
Is it possible we are being duped and free energy is available to us but being held back by the powers that be?
Do we really need to burn any fuel at all?

please contribute anything you may know on this subject.

maybe it's time to talk about this stuff....seems to me, if this really is here, then the whole auto bailout thing is a farce and we are being played the fool.

I found this youtube info very interesting. It seems there are machines in use right now using free energy, heating systems and cars running for free.

Is this real or what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkC-Ot27BkM

The Casimir effect demonstrating the energy effects of zero point fluctuations by detecting the force between two metal plates separated a small distance apart. The force was incredibly weak. While the amount of total energy may be infinite the effects it has is certainly finite. I can't recall the exact numbers but you would need two metal plates many square kilometres in size to even power a lightbulb for a second. I could dig up the paper and figure out the exact numbers needed.

Furthermore, there is the problem that this energy is not really "free." Solar power, while it's free for us to use, still comes from the burning of fuel in a star a large distance away. In the case of zero point energy you need to expend energy to separate the plates the necessary microns apart to produce the forces. Nevermind the frictions and other loses that would occur in the process.

[jonathan_matos5]

Originally Posted by Georynn

Sure I got one... It powers my gate *...




*-Stargate reference = NERD

beat me to it.

[Georynn]

Originally Posted by BruisedOoze

The Casimir effect demonstrating the energy effects of zero point fluctuations by detecting the force between two metal plates separated a small distance apart. The force was incredibly weak. While the amount of total energy may be infinite the effects it has is certainly finite. I can't recall the exact numbers but you would need two metal plates many square kilometres in size to even power a lightbulb for a second. I could dig up the paper and figure out the exact numbers needed.

Furthermore, there is the problem that this energy is not really "free." Solar power, while it's free for us to use, still comes from the burning of fuel in a star a large distance away. In the case of zero point energy you need to expend energy to separate the plates the necessary microns apart to produce the forces. Nevermind the frictions and other loses that would occur in the process.

After listening to all the youtubes, this guy seems to just be suggesting that there are lots of "free energy" devices and sources that are naturally occouring.

He uses Nicola tesla, Willis Lamb, Browne, and several other inventors who have created devices that use this "free energy", but were refused patents or weren't developed.

To Quote Mike Daughty:
So far, I have not found the science...

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Originally Posted by BruisedOoze

The Casimir effect demonstrating the energy effects of zero point fluctuations by detecting the force between two metal plates separated a small distance apart. The force was incredibly weak. While the amount of total energy may be infinite the effects it has is certainly finite. I can't recall the exact numbers but you would need two metal plates many square kilometres in size to even power a lightbulb for a second. I could dig up the paper and figure out the exact numbers needed.

Furthermore, there is the problem that this energy is not really "free." Solar power, while it's free for us to use, still comes from the burning of fuel in a star a large distance away. In the case of zero point energy you need to expend energy to separate the plates the necessary microns apart to produce the forces. Nevermind the frictions and other loses that would occur in the process.

+1

Not to mention the fact it would be impossible to actually use, heck, would have more luck trying to make something where we use van der waals forces to make energy!

And an additional +1 for another poor soul who has had to study quantum mechanics

[Jools4001]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

What that video seems to think is that it can be used to make some sort of perpetual motion generator (which doesnt exist, and never will).

Oh, I don't know....

Everybody knows that a cat always lands on it's feet, right? And everybody knows that if you drop your toast it always lands butter side down?

Therefore if you strap a piece of toast (buttered side up) to a cat's back and then drop them, the immutable cat's feet law and the unerring buttered toast law will both try and achieve some sort of equilibrium and the result will be that the cat/toast combo will spin rapidly, about one foot off the floor, in perpetual motion.



I think I'll patent it and call it Jools' Dichotomy Engine

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Its a pity you cannot patent perpetual motion devices

[Georynn]

Originally Posted by Jools4001

Oh, I don't know....

Everybody knows that a cat always lands on it's feet, right? And everybody knows that if you drop your toast it always lands butter side down?

Therefore if you strap a piece of toast (buttered side up) to a cat's back and then drop them, the immutable cat's feet law and the unerring buttered toast law will both try and achieve some sort of equilibrium and the result will be that the cat/toast combo will spin rapidly, about one foot off the floor, in perpetual motion.



I think I'll patent it and call it Jools' Dichotomy Engine

Like this?

[KeithBMI]

Zero-Point Energy Field Manipulator

[coyoteboy]

^^ That, my friends, is what the interweb is all about!!!

[flipper_gv]

Originally Posted by jonathan_matos5

beat me to it.

omg I feel lame now. Lame enough to want to post a stargate reference, and even more lame enough to be the third to think about it.

[BruisedOoze]

Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

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And an additional +1 for another poor soul who has had to study quantum mechanics

This was done by choice

[ehque]

You could spare the cat and butter both sides of a piece of bread. As each side strives to land on the floor you have a starch-based perpetual machine.

The video just throws huge amounts of gobbledygook at the listener. The magnetic top may look cool, but it's just a toy. Tesla tried to build a machine that projected WIRELESS power. Now we know that that would require insane amounts of energy, or it would fry everyone. It wasn't "scuttled", it's not practical. We know a lot about electricity and magnetism, free energy will not come from this area. The "electrogravitic" apparatus simply charges the air and accelerates it from plate to plate, it doesn't work in a vacuum, and provides a really small amount of thrust anyway. There's a reason why the crazy inventions never made it to production, and it's not because of suppression, its because they don't work. I'm not surprised UFOs and "string theory" are both mentioned in the video.

As a physics major, i really don't think there's any energy to be derived from the zero-point. Sure, there's energy there, but energy FLOWS, so you'd need something of even lower energy to extract that. And there's no lower, cos it's already the zero point. At least that's how i see it. It's like trying to extract heat out of a block of ice. There IS heat there, but you need something colder to pull heat out of it. Same thing for the zero point.

Supercapacitors for small scale energy storage and solar/nuclear energy for energy production is where it's at. As soon as we find out that nukes are better as power plants than as bombs, we are many steps ahead in the game. Solar energy efficiency is also getting pretty good nowadays, we've just got to bring the price down a little, and it starts to be viable.

[BruisedOoze]

Originally Posted by ehque

The video just throws huge amounts of gobbledygook at the listener.

As a physics major, i really don't think there's any energy to be derived from the zero-point. Sure, there's energy there, but energy FLOWS, so you'd need something of even lower energy to extract that. And there's no lower, cos it's already the zero point. At least that's how i see it. It's like trying to extract heat out of a block of ice. There IS heat there, but you need something colder to pull heat out of it. Same thing for the zero point.

Edit: You changed it while I was quoting. There's no point in me being redundant.

[ehque]

Originally Posted by BruisedOoze

Edit: You changed it while I was quoting. There's no point in me being redundant.

I'm sorry. The more i listened the more i was convinced they are mad, so i really needed to point out all the wrong stuff.

[TheXym]

Originally Posted by Georynn

Sure I got one... It powers my gate *...

Beat me to it. Stargate rules. But it's a Zee PM, not a Zed PM

edit: Wow, looks like I'm the 4th Stargate nerd. I guess we have a talkbass gate team now...

[Georynn]

Originally Posted by TheXym

Beat me to it. Stargate rules. But it's a Zee PM, not a Zed PM

edit: Wow, looks like I'm the 4th Stargate nerd. I guess we have a talkbass gate team now...

Only "doctor" McKay calls them that...