|  | | 
10-19-2009, 09:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | | 2 man Grindcore/powerviolence effects
Sign in to disble this ad
Aside from Sludge and Doom, I have an interest in Grind and Powerviolence. I'm going to be (hopefully) starting a band with my drummer so if nothing else we can both learn to play faster and have fun destroying people's ears in the process.
I have a Tech 21 XXL B and a BDDI, but those don't quite cut it. it's like it's too...tame almost. Any ideas on what can give me tons of Grind for cheap? ODB-3 perhaps?
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
|
10-19-2009, 09:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | | Keep in mind this is coming from the guy who seriously asked about nu metal bass.
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
|
10-19-2009, 09:47 PM
| | Registered User
Beta Tester: Source Audio. Hacker: Heavy Drone FX | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Spokane, WA. | | | Fuzz
BiAmp with a Guitar Full Stack and destroy it. |
10-19-2009, 09:51 PM
|  | God of Thunder...retired. | | Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio | | | Get a Black Cat Bass Octave Fuzz or other Bass Brassmaster clone. |
10-19-2009, 09:54 PM
| | | | odb-3 /thread |
10-19-2009, 10:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Iowa | | Quote:
Originally Posted by vigor&kandor  odb-3 /thread | You're close, but it's actually BDDI --> ODB-3/thread. |
10-19-2009, 10:09 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA | | | ODB > LBM in a feedback loop.
__________________
It's dangerous to go alone. Take this: o--{=======- |
10-19-2009, 10:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | Quote:
Originally Posted by *insertcoolname You're close, but it's actually BDDI --> ODB-3/thread. | The BDDI into the ODB-3? WHOA!!!
I'm going to try BDDI > XXL B and see what happens.
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
|
10-19-2009, 10:23 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2009 Location: Omaha, NE | | | You could try like death from above and run 1200W bass amp heads into 200W rated acoustic guitar speakers... then go further... Overdrive the tubes to bloody hell and run a Turbo Rat into a Digitech Hard-Wire Tube Overdrive into a Swollen Pickle into an XXL into an ODB-3 and finish it off with a DS-1... or something. |
10-19-2009, 10:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Getaway Driver You could try like death from above and run 1200W bass amp heads into 200W rated acoustic guitar speakers... then go further... Overdrive the tubes to bloody hell and run a Turbo Rat into a Digitech Hard-Wire Tube Overdrive into a Swollen Pickle into an XXL into an ODB-3 and finish it off with a DS-1... or something. | I don't have enough money to buy all that stuff.
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
|
10-19-2009, 10:37 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Manitoba | | Quote:
Originally Posted by warwick.hoy Fuzz
BiAmp with a Guitar Full Stack and destroy it. | I think this is probably your best bet, although I gotta admit I'm not familiar with the "genres". In my opinion, at some point, you run out of room to just add more gain and need to look for something else to get heavier or more grind. I think that a stupidly big amp setup is tough to beat. Even without that, too small an amp isn't going to sound right no matter how many pedals you throw in front.
Assuming that cheap means a huge amp isn't going to happen I'd start thinking about ways to mess with the textures of the distortion sound I already kinda liked. I think some messing with an EQ (maybe in parallell chains), or something to add a few wierd or dissonant overtones/harmonics would be my next thought if EQ is too boring.
The way you talk about playing fast, I figure that super high gain fuzz or square wave style pedals aren't necessarily the way to go. Much as there's a place for it and they're fun, if it was me I'd try to stick with something that might be a bit more dynamic. I find that a square wave-y fuzz or a big boost into a dirt box just kinda powers out and work better when you're not playing super fast.
If I wasn't going to biamp I'd be highpassing one channel and blasting a distortion with it. Get the bass out before you get your high gain, aggressive tone. Lots of mids, filter out the harsh treble to keep it from shredding your eardrums. Then with the other channel either keep it clean-ish or get something with beefy lows and low mids (VT bass/blueberry/etc) and subtler distortion.
so my setup might be...
Bass> LS-2.
LS-2a> Rat or rangemaster+distortion or etc
LS-2b> VTbass with lots of lowpass.
LS-2 out>amp.
Or, get a guitarist to fill the gap. |
10-19-2009, 10:44 PM
| | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Getaway Driver You could try like death from above and run 1200W bass amp heads into 200W rated acoustic guitar speakers... then go further... Overdrive the tubes to bloody hell and run a Turbo Rat into a Digitech Hard-Wire Tube Overdrive into a Swollen Pickle into an XXL into an ODB-3 and finish it off with a DS-1... or something. | it would be to bad that DFA are not power violence |
10-19-2009, 11:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jucas I think this is probably your best bet, although I gotta admit I'm not familiar with the "genres". In my opinion, at some point, you run out of room to just add more gain and need to look for something else to get heavier or more grind. I think that a stupidly big amp setup is tough to beat. Even without that, too small an amp isn't going to sound right no matter how many pedals you throw in front.
Assuming that cheap means a huge amp isn't going to happen I'd start thinking about ways to mess with the textures of the distortion sound I already kinda liked. I think some messing with an EQ (maybe in parallell chains), or something to add a few wierd or dissonant overtones/harmonics would be my next thought if EQ is too boring.
The way you talk about playing fast, I figure that super high gain fuzz or square wave style pedals aren't necessarily the way to go. Much as there's a place for it and they're fun, if it was me I'd try to stick with something that might be a bit more dynamic. I find that a square wave-y fuzz or a big boost into a dirt box just kinda powers out and work better when you're not playing super fast.
If I wasn't going to biamp I'd be highpassing one channel and blasting a distortion with it. Get the bass out before you get your high gain, aggressive tone. Lots of mids, filter out the harsh treble to keep it from shredding your eardrums. Then with the other channel either keep it clean-ish or get something with beefy lows and low mids (VT bass/blueberry/etc) and subtler distortion.
so my setup might be...
Bass> LS-2.
LS-2a> Rat or rangemaster+distortion or etc
LS-2b> VTbass with lots of lowpass.
LS-2 out>amp.
Or, get a guitarist to fill the gap. | I have a 250 watt Laney RBH800. It's solid state, so I think it will slay enough for now. I also have an Octave pedal and stuff.
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
|
10-19-2009, 11:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Manitoba | | | well, keeping it on the low budget, I think an LS-2 might be a good start. Used especially.
It's probly not going to do the trick all at once, but I think it'd be a decent start. But... try to use it as more than just a blend. Maybe the sansamp and octave in one loop, and xxl in the other as a start (does the XXL cut lows? because we want it too here). Set the tone controls up as differently as you can to get highs outta one pedal and lows/low mids outta the other. Its not a perfect solution, but its probably close-ish for the price.
Try it out at a store or get the LS-2 as cheap as you can... it might just be too complicated and fidley for the result.
Edit... my idea was that this gets you to a place where you can add to the setup to get closer to the aggressive craziness you're after. Just the LS-2 isn't going to make things heavier, but it'll probly sound better while you work on the cash to get anything else you need for the setup.
Last edited by jucas : 10-19-2009 at 11:31 PM.
|
10-20-2009, 12:44 AM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: West Coast of Canada | | | Get a Swollen Pickle MKII and set the internal clip dial to the LEDs (aka Opposite of Factory Default)
Great clear fuzz with LOADS of lows. And nassss-tay as satan with explosive diarrhea |
10-20-2009, 12:56 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep Get a Swollen Pickle MKII and set the internal clip dial to the LEDs (aka Opposite of Factory Default)
Great clear fuzz with LOADS of lows. And nassss-tay as satan with explosive diarrhea | ooooohhhhh....gonna have to try that....
__________________
#18 βΘИΞКЯŲŜĦÏИĞ®
Yorkville/Traynor Club Member #82
|
10-20-2009, 07:20 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Rhode Island, USA | | For a 2-man grindcore group, I agree with the earlier suggestion of bi-amping. For the distortion, I'd suggest either one of the Rats, XXLB or or something of that ilk.
I actually had to wiki powerviolence, that was a new one for me  |
10-20-2009, 07:44 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wakefield, UK | | Quote:
Originally Posted by bigchiefbc ]
I actually had to wiki powerviolence, that was a new one for me | Same here 
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by kevteop For all we know, there could be an army of beautiful virgins wandering door-to-door with photos of me, in a desperate attempt to mate me to death. | |
10-20-2009, 07:48 AM
|  | You don't want to do that. Trust me. Forum Administrator | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: atlanta ga | | | powerviolence? what is that, like dragonball z-rock?
"this amp goes to over 9000!"
__________________ Talkbass Forum Administrator Ask me, I'm here to help. Lord Only on Myspace - 4 New Lord Only Tracks from our 2nd CD Lord Only - yes. we're back. sorta versatile residue -12 minute instrumental I find it elevating and exhilarating to discover that we live in a universe which permits the evolution of molecular machines as intricate and subtle as we. - Carl Sagan Rock 'n' Roll... It's got nothing to do with journalists, and it hasn't really even got anything to do with musicians, either. - Pete Townsend |
10-20-2009, 08:01 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fredericksburg, Virginia | | I was actually considering that, if I ever got the money, I could augment my current setup with a Bugera or something. Quote:
Originally Posted by john turner powerviolence? what is that, like dragonball z-rock?
"this amp goes to over 9000!" | You could say that. Althought Dragonball Z rock would actually be classed as Hair Metal 
Note the massive 'do.
A fine example of powerviolence can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghu6AWDPD5c
That guy is using a green russian muff and a BC Rich from the 70s with EMGs.
__________________
Returned in a limited capacity due to noise
Last edited by Thunderscreech : 10-20-2009 at 08:07 AM.
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off | | | |
