advices for byron miller envelope filter sound

[olicor335]

hi everybody,
my name is olivier from france (excuse my english ...)
i know that there are many discussions about envelope filter but i need your cause i m about to buy an envelope filter and i d really like to know (if anybody knows ...) which env filter the great byron miller uses on these songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdtwon67Uqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NsBF...20B923&index=4
Of course i know that it might be dod fx25 or mutron 3 or ebs bass iq etc but does anyone know exactly the model of byron 's filter on these songs ,this day.
Thank very much fellas

[bassbrad]

Byron Miller a greatly under appreciated player and one of my favorites, especially his stuff with George Duke.
I would not venture a guess, but you could always ask Byron on his myspace page

http://www.myspace.com/bigonemusic

[chicago_mike]

DOD FX25B, the one with the blend knob.

[olicor335]

thank you guys for the reply.
I ve already asked to the master himself on his myspace but nothing (i posted yesterday and i m sure byron is busy so i ve to wait)
are u sure chicago mike for the dod fx25b (cause i heard the vintage fx25 was better )?
is it hypothetic or factual ?

[chicago_mike]

Factual , Sir.

Aside from knowing what pedal it is, even , uhh, lets say..inexpensive pedals...will sound good in a live setting.

Now make it a live outdoor setting, and your cheesy dod, or boss pedal can sound much cooler...doesnt make any sence to me, but I can attest to that.

Byron's a feel guy. So one pedal being cool vs. not...not his bag.

[olicor335]

Thank you mike. I do agree cheap effects can sound very good and i try not to be snob anymore with gear (i have so many things to learn (playing abilities) that will improve my sound before looking after fancys effects but once said byron s sound is so funky in these vids that i d really like to know exactly the trade and model of his envelope filter.
i m not sure at all about dod fx25b cause in the vid we can hear that the effect slowly affect his natural sound so i would bet for a unit that contain a decay knob or stuff like this ,to be able to slow down the "kwaaaa".
byron is not on this forum ? or a friend of him ???

[chicago_mike]

there's pictures and other vids floating about that clearly show the pedal. I used to own it and the older 2 knob version. And thats the sound.

When the B first came out with the blend, I went right out and bought it, but, I ended up not using the blend knob because it didnt what I hoped..the dod was too limited for me.

Decays and such, your technique can control that quite easily. Flea, Byron, Bill Laswell, all make that pedal sound in different ways. It just didnt hit me the right way to keep it.

[kesslari]

That's a nice, funky tune and a great tone!

[olicor335]

thank you mike ,i don't see this pedal watching the concert in vienne but i have to try this dod fx25b and if it sounds as good (sure i m not byron !!! but ...) it will be my choice.

[bassbrad]

Well I prefer simpler pedals especially for envelope followers, all those knobs just get me further away from the sounds i like.
I am just going to have to try a FX25B for myself, it may give me the missing texture.

[Swimming Bird]

I just tried a DOD FX25b for the first time in a while yesterday (was trying an RV-2 and wanted to see how it sounded after a filter - I use an FX25). It sounded better than I remembered. I didn't spend enough time with it to articulate this well, but I didn't like is as much as the FX25, it seemed less... I dunno.

It certainly has the ability to be more subtle and that's what we're hearing on these vids. I think the 25b is perhaps better for some players/styles. It isn't for me and it can't get some of the sloppy wet sounds I rely on from my 25, but I won't trash it. I think it does two things exceedingly well -- static dub filter (slightly different flavor than the 25) and R&B flavored envelope following.