Another fuzz idea

[OptimusPrime]

A while back I was trying to figure out a way to recreate Dirk Lances fuzz setup in a way smaller size. Nothing really seemed practical and cheap. So I just let my idea die. For those of you who don't know, it's basically just a way to blend his fuzz with his high mids, low mids and lows. It's a really cool thing and sounds awesome. So I was just outside on the dock and thought of this idea. Are you ready?

Basically it involves a USA Big Muff, Boss bass EQ and a blend loop pedal. I'd run the EQ into the Big Muff, all in the blend loop. That way I could boost certain frequencies that are going into the Muff, mainly mids and some lows. And more importantly cut highs, so it wont sound brittle. Then blend back in some clean to add back the clean highs and some clean lows. I might run my MicroPOG in here somewhere too.

What do you guys think? Practical? Useful? Crazy? I'm kinda psyched to start saving money so I can try this. If it works I might build it all into one huge enclosure. Any suggestions for any other EQs other than the Boss? What about a blender? I was thinking the Boss LS-2, but I want to keep it as simple as possible for this rig. I'll probably end up buying one of those later anyway.

[Nyarlathotep]

Sounds like a pretty cool idea. The boss eq and ls-2 should work fine. Or at least they should IMO.

[mini-flea]

Ye does sound like a good idea, to me theroetically it should work but I think you'll only be able to cut the highs not remove there frequency(just abit confused about how he only boosts the other frequencies, and whether he actually does cut or remove the highs, not sure about his setup :$)
But yeh, those pedals should do nicely, look forward to the results =].
Placement of the MicroPog would be interesting too!

[Ryan Mohr]

Sounds like a good idea, for those don't know this is what it sounds like - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5uBYkS4dPE and this (after 37 seconds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv6QKbTrY9c

[OptimusPrime]

Originally Posted by mini-flea

Ye does sound like a good idea, to me theroetically it should work but I think you'll only be able to cut the highs not remove there frequency(just abit confused about how he only boosts the other frequencies, and whether he actually does cut or remove the highs, not sure about his setup :$)
But yeh, those pedals should do nicely, look forward to the results =].
Placement of the MicroPog would be interesting too!

Good point. Will the EQ pedal be able to completely remove my highs? It should at least be able to cut them enough to make the fuzz not brittle. All these pedals can be bough pretty cheap used. So hopefully I'll have some money together soon.

[OptimusPrime]

"For his career with Incubus he used Eden Amplification products. With his somewhat complicated setup, he would divide his sound 6 ways. Firstly, he would carry a clean signal and a 'dirty' signal. Each of these signals would further be separated 3 ways into low frequencies, low mids, and high mid frequencies. Usually Eden WT 100 preamps and WT 1000 power amps were employed. This results in two tri-amped signals, one clean and one with effects. Other gear in his setup included, but not limited to, were a Demeter Tube Compressor, a DBX 120 XP Sub-harmonic synthesizer, a Tech 21 Sansamp PSA-1, a custom switcher/router, a Boss PH-2 Super Phaser pedal, a MXR Phase 90 pedal, and an Electro-Harmonix Big Muff pedal."

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by OptimusPrime

Good point. Will the EQ pedal be able to completely remove my highs? It should at least be able to cut them enough to make the fuzz not brittle.

Sure it will. That's what an EQ does.

BTW, that's a totally insane rig. Way too much trouble for the return IMHO.

[OptimusPrime]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Sure it will. That's what an EQ does.

BTW, that's a totally insane rig. Way too much trouble for the return IMHO.

Are you talking about his amps or my 3 pedal idea? 3 pedals for a cool fuzz tone is totally worth it to me.

[JimmyM]

His amps. pedals can be fun, don't take up much real estate, and aren't hard to set up. But a bass rig like that just screams "I'm doing this because Eden gives me free stuff and I have a guy to set it up for me."

[superbassman2000]

how does this idea differ from the EH graphic fuzz?

or for that matter, the Jaques Fuse Blower?
http://www.jacquespedals.com/index.p...uct=fuseblower

[shinobi]

if you're using the LS-2, why stop at blending in the clean? you could use another eq on the 2nd channel to boost back the frequencies that you cut out from the fuzz. i think that will give you far more options... kind of like a multi band fuzz

what about one (or rather a pair) of those little mixers? i was looking at his 3-amp setup and one of those things came to mind:



this would allow you to have up to 4 channels in parallel, and you could use all sorts of permutations of effects through them. then you could mix them all together with another mixer, or you could go into 3 AMPS

but if you're going for SIMPLE,
http://www.bargeconcepts.com/vbjr.html

i intend to get one of these. i used to have the LS-2 but got tired of playing with the cut/boost of both channels

[OptimusPrime]

Originally Posted by shinobi

if you're using the LS-2, why stop at blending in the clean? you could use another eq on the 2nd channel to boost back the frequencies that you cut out from the fuzz. i think that will give you far more options... kind of like a multi band fuzz

what about one (or rather a pair) of those little mixers? i was looking at his 3-amp setup and one of those things came to mind:



this would allow you to have up to 4 channels in parallel, and you could use all sorts of permutations of effects through them. then you could mix them all together with another mixer, or you could go into 3 AMPS

but if you're going for SIMPLE,
http://www.bargeconcepts.com/vbjr.html

i intend to get one of these. i used to have the LS-2 but got tired of playing with the cut/boost of both channels

I'm thinking the fuzz, EQ and simple blender idea is the best, cheapest and most practical idea. That blender is exactly what I'm looking for.