Anyone found effective way to blend M9/M13 effects?

stflbn · #1 04-26-2011, 08:41 AM

Wanting to do it as small as possible, but doing it via an Expression pedal would also be very functional.

How are others getting around no blend on M9/M13 Overdrives and such at this point?

Smurf-o-Deth · #2 04-26-2011, 08:49 AM

I've seen people running 'em in blend pedal loops for this very reason.

stflbn · #3 04-26-2011, 08:59 AM

Ya, as i've done in the past, but then if blended via a knob I love the ability to switch to some other effect that I want 100% of rather than blended. I guess something like an X-blender that can be controlled with a expression pedal would give me the functionality I need, but they're so 'large'...

Smurf-o-Deth · #4 04-26-2011, 09:55 AM

The X-Blender will do the switching between the set mix, 100% clean and 100% wet. It's not that big, really--roughly 5 x 3.5.

cheapbasslovin · #5 04-26-2011, 10:00 AM

I use a dual parallel looper like this with my M13. See the bottom graphic. Allows for only using the M13, using the M13 blended, or using M13 effects in parallel. You can only do the top graphic with an M9.

Don't know if this is what you are looking for, but it really suits me. Also, the dotted red line in the top graphic should read 'M13 out to A return'.

stflbn · #6 04-26-2011, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Smurf-o-Deth

The X-Blender will do the switching between the set mix, 100% clean and 100% wet. It's not that big, really--roughly 5 x 3.5.

That's big on a pedaltrain mini. :-)

I know... I'm asking or wishing to do a lot on a little.
I guess the X-blender wouldn't really take much more space than putting a separate OD pedal like a Pork Loin on the Mini and would retain the ability of blending via expression pedal which I already do via the M9 on Octaver and other effects currently. So I guess I could switch all those to 100% all the time and blend them via an X-blender rather than with the M9.

aledeville · #7 04-26-2011, 10:10 AM

I use my M9 with an X&M crossover from [sfx]: high performance audio devices and it's awesome. This is not blending a clean signal with the effected, but only effect the higher frequencies. This is really so much better than anything I've ever tested...

Smurf-o-Deth · #8 04-26-2011, 01:26 PM

Well, 5 inches is a fair chunk on a mini, you have me there. Good luck with finding something that works for you--I'm sure plenty of other people are of a similar mind.

cheapbasslovin · #9 04-26-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by aledeville

I use my M9 with an X&M crossover from [sfx]: high performance audio devices and it's awesome. This is not blending a clean signal with the effected, but only effect the higher frequencies. This is really so much better than anything I've ever tested...

How do the Octave, Synth, and pitch effects work with the X&M? That is the only thing that keeps me from adding a crossover into my parallel setup. Do the octaves sound as super BA as I have come to expect or does this setup thin them out?

stflbn · #10 04-26-2011, 01:29 PM

I think the Xblender and an expression pedal will work for me. It will just require I revise how I have things set up on the mini patches themselves. Currently I've been using the expression to blend in Octave, OD, Chorus, etc based on settings there, which works great on everything BUT overdrives because you lose a lot of the meat, so i've been always pairing OD's with an EQ adjustment.

aledeville · #11 04-27-2011, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cheapbasslovin

How do the Octave, Synth, and pitch effects work with the X&M? That is the only thing that keeps me from adding a crossover into my parallel setup. Do the octaves sound as super BA as I have come to expect or does this setup thin them out?

Good question and it is indeed the case that the octave does not sound good. That's why I have an additional Octabass. Sometimes I put it in the "Low Frequency Channel" and sometimes before the X&M. If you put it in the Low Channel, you can get very weird things - distort and octave up the upper channel and octave down in the lower...

Here's my board

The pitching and synth effects work out great (I even have the SuperSynth in the high channel). Depending where you have set the crossover, it works differently. I have it at about 250-300Hz and with the tuner "on" (of the M9) the upper channel is muted and with a little volumeboost I have a very nice dubtone.

cheapbasslovin · #12 04-27-2011, 06:22 AM

Thanks for the response. I still am looking to install some sort of bypass-able crossover in line with the loops on my Badger Looper. I plan on building it, though and I have a Jack cab as well as a rather neglected house on that list as well. I may never get to it

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stflbn · #13 04-27-2011, 07:21 AM

Any X-blender type pedals out there that the blend can be adjusted via Expression pedal?

cheapbasslovin · #14 04-27-2011, 09:18 AM

The only one I know of is the Morley FX Blender, but it is huge. 9" by 6" according to Morleypedals.com

smllsnd/bigsnd · #15 04-27-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stflbn

Any X-blender type pedals out there that the blend can be adjusted via Expression pedal?

stflbn · #16 05-09-2011, 05:46 PM

Following up...

Here's what I ended up doing.

Using a T1M MBL Blend pedal to blend the M9 Overdrives and effects with my clean signal.
Then using a small Nose Expression pedal to adjust my effect presets on the M9 itself.

Basically I'm used to setting up different characters of effects in the M9 and using the expression pedal to move one way or another in that effect character wise. I do that a lot with the Octaver, pitch or modulation effects, or even EQing. Then I use the T1M MDL blend pedal to blend in my clean signal to taste.

This combination gives me the versatility of adjusting effects on the M9 as I'm used to doing with an expression pedal, but also being able to blend the overdrives or distortions with my clean signal.

Which is precisely my original goal. Bonus that I managed to do it in a small tiny manner.

The Nose expression pedal is actually pretty cool and very usable. I was surprised. It didn't take me long to get used to rolling the large knobs with my foot rather than stepping on a traditional expression pedal.

ryansalmond · #17 05-10-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by aledeville

Good question and it is indeed the case that the octave does not sound good. That's why I have an additional Octabass. Sometimes I put it in the "Low Frequency Channel" and sometimes before the X&M. If you put it in the Low Channel, you can get very weird things - distort and octave up the upper channel and octave down in the lower...

Here's my board

The pitching and synth effects work out great (I even have the SuperSynth in the high channel). Depending where you have set the crossover, it works differently. I have it at about 250-300Hz and with the tuner "on" (of the M9) the upper channel is muted and with a little volumeboost I have a very nice dubtone.

Awesome. Any chance of soundclips?
Puh-lease?

aledeville · #18 05-10-2011, 02:21 AM

@ryansalmond
Here I have some aledeville's sounds on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free
Most of them are a comparison between overdrives/distortions, but there are some others. If you want something specifically, just ask :-)

stflbn · #19 05-10-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aledeville

Good question and it is indeed the case that the octave does not sound good. That's why I have an additional Octabass.

I personally have to disagree. I've gone through the major Octavers in the past 2 years and have ended up back at the M9 for my octave needs. OC2, OC3, Aguilar TLC, Octabass, MXR BOD, PoG, Eventide Pitchfactor... and I'm sure I'm missing a couple.

aledeville · #20 05-11-2011, 12:50 PM

Na, you got there something wrong. I'm not saying that the octaver on the M9 is crap, but in the setup I use it (with the X&M crossover) it doesn't work that good.

However, when you put the Octabass in the "Low" channel, and then you distort and pitch the "High" channel up you can get really nasty...