Anyone get that Peter Hook Joy Division overdrive? (The most awesome OD)

boristhespider7 · #1 08-18-2011, 05:41 PM

Has anyone managed to get this early Peter Hook over driven tone?
He used a Hondo Ric copy and HiWatt Custom 100 head at the time. Is there anyway of getting near this tone without shelling out truck loads of $$ as an all valve head is out of my reach for the foreseeable future!

Listen to this for the tone...(bass starts about 15secs in)
Joy Division - 05 - New Dawn Fades - YouTube

or this one...
Joy Division - Transmission (Lyrics) - YouTube

BTW, I currently have a MIA P bass, Tech 21 Sansamp BDI (way too scooped for this IMO!) and will soon have an Ashdown ABM 500. Considering an EBS Multidrive but not sure if it will get near this.

dhsierra1 · #2 08-18-2011, 05:46 PM

I read in an interview w/him in the May '05 Bass Player that he used a "really crappy Sunn 18" so at some point that was part of the equation.

IPA · #3 08-18-2011, 05:49 PM

Hey, I was just rocking some JD last night. I get pretty close when I play my p-bass through my peavey delta blues on the overdrive channel.

probably, playing through something crappy helps. didn't he say he played up high because his speakers were too busted up to amplify the low notes?

dhsierra1 · #4 08-18-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IPA

didn't he say he played up high because his speakers were too busted up to amplify the low notes?

I'm reading those exact words right now from that interview

FaithNoMan · #5 08-18-2011, 10:43 PM

Tech 21 Leeds or a Tubescreamer, would be my suggestion.

The Leeds is a Hiwatt emulator with a TON of bass available. I own one, and love it. There is "lots" of midrange in this pedal, and is nothing like the BDDI, which to me sounds anemic in comparison.

The Tubescreamer has that quality I like as well. Here is some guy from Russia attempting some Joy Division(although his playing and recording method is less than stellar, I think the overdrive sounds completely natural and pretty good.):

Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer With Bass - YouTube

If you get a Tubescreamer, I'd go for the Turbo Tubescreamer, as it doesn't rob all your bottom end, and it sounds the same, tonally. I just ordered a TS9B, so the jury's out on that one.

boristhespider7 · #6 08-19-2011, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithNoMan

Tech 21 Leeds or a Tubescreamer, would be my suggestion.

The Leeds is a Hiwatt emulator with a TON of bass available. I own one, and love it. There is "lots" of midrange in this pedal, and is nothing like the BDDI, which to me sounds anemic in comparison.

The Tubescreamer has that quality I like as well. Here is some guy from Russia attempting some Joy Division(although his playing and recording method is less than stellar, I think the overdrive sounds completely natural and pretty good.):

Ibanez TS9 Tubescreamer With Bass - YouTube

If you get a Tubescreamer, I'd go for the Turbo Tubescreamer, as it doesn't rob all your bottom end, and it sounds the same, tonally. I just ordered a TS9B, so the jury's out on that one.

Yep, sounds like i need something with a decent amount of mids in that can nail that Ric and Hiwatt tone. Thanks for the suggestions, haven't come across the Leeds before. I've heard the EHX germanium OD has a good amount of mids too. Anyone else have suggestions?

skulletwhip · #7 08-19-2011, 05:47 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Tech 21 Leeds, a Hiwatt emulator? If it is, that may be a good option.

s_mcsleazy · #8 08-19-2011, 05:57 AM

nowadays i think he uses trace elliot
Peter Hook And The Light Featuring Rowetta - Atmosphere - 1102 / 2011 EP - YouTube

but id say large speakers are yer best bet

boristhespider7 · #9 08-19-2011, 08:39 AM

He's changed his gear quite a bit since those times, its only really early joy division (not even the Warsaw period) where he gets this mean OD, mainly around the Unknown Pleasures album period.

Checked on the Tech 21 page the Leeds is a Hiwatt emulator, isn't it designed mainly for guitar though? Would any other OD's get me that tone eg.
EBS multidrive
EHX germanium OD
DOD 250
etc etc

or even a cheaper tube amp like an Ashdown Little Bastard or Traynor TBA200?

FaithNoMan · #10 08-19-2011, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by boristhespider7

Checked on the Tech 21 page the Leeds is a Hiwatt emulator, isn't it designed mainly for guitar though?

Nope.

It's true to its' original design. An all-purpose tube amp.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfiW5XcOUw

My friend and I went back and forth between it and the BDDI and it easily has as much bass as it.

This is with the bass around 12:00(the drive knob is dimed, though!)

MP3 Player SoundClick

Imo, the Leeds sounds a lot more pissed off than the VT bass.

boristhespider7 · #11 08-20-2011, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithNoMan

Nope.

This is with the bass around 12:00(the drive knob is dimed, though!)

Thanks for the link. Don't mean to be daft here but i'm not too sure about the Americanism "dimed", do you mean all the way clockwise, anticlockwise or centred?

FaithNoMan · #12 08-20-2011, 06:22 AM

All the way clockwise; turned up.

moles · #13 08-20-2011, 11:59 AM

On the Tubescreamer note: I have an MXR GT-OD on my board, that I regularily use for mid-to-high register, chorused out Peter Hook influenced sounds. It's like a mellowed out TS - not *quite* as peaky in the midrange, and with a touch more low end. Might be worth a shot. Cheap too.

**DosiYanarchy** · #14 08-21-2011, 10:57 AM

Massive +1 on the Leeds, its the way to go - i need to buy one again at some point.

Also if looking at a tubescreamer, how about the bass tubescreamer?

boristhespider7 · #15 08-21-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

Massive +1 on the Leeds, its the way to go - i need to buy one again at some point.

Also if looking at a tubescreamer, how about the bass tubescreamer?

Also interested in the bass tube screamer.
Also any other ways of doing this eg. cheap valve guitar head like Bugera 1960 Classic 150? These pedals are all trying to emulate valves, how about just getting a valve amp, i can pick up the Buger a for £250 which is v v cheep for tubes

BassmanAd · #16 08-21-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

Peter Hook And The Light Featuring Rowetta - Atmosphere - 1102 / 2011 EP - YouTube

Sweet jesus that is horrible. What is he doing???!!!

FaithNoMan · #17 08-21-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DosiYanarchy

Massive +1 on the Leeds, its the way to go - i need to buy one again at some point.

Also if looking at a tubescreamer, how about the bass tubescreamer?

I'll have one on Tuesday.

The third and last "bass preamp" thing I want is the Markbass Super Booster.

I'll try to make some clips soon.

boristhespider7 · #18 08-22-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FaithNoMan

I'll have one on Tuesday.

The third and last "bass preamp" thing I want is the Markbass Super Booster.

I'll try to make some clips soon.

Cool! Can't wait!

FaithNoMan · #19 08-22-2011, 12:25 PM

Boris, I'll make clips of both pedals, but realize ANY tubescreamer is going to need a speakersim, if you go DI. If you don't I guess you won't have to worry about it.

I can make clips with the TS9B through my Leeds, but I'll have to wait to get either a Markbass Superbooster, or an H&K Redbox to give you a clip "away" from the Leeds pedal.

If I had to place an early bet though, I'd say the Leeds is going to kick the Bass Tubescreamer's a$$ - I'm actually VERY happy with the Leeds pedal by itself.. going "direct" or through an amp

I just wanted to see what the TS9B sounds like, slightly dirty, through a "clean" setting on the Leeds.

FaithNoMan · #20 08-27-2011, 06:30 PM

I was up late trying to get rid of some artifacts with the TS9B>>the Leeds pedal, so my playing is sloppy, and said artifacts aren't gone. That being said, I really like something in the midrange of the Tube Screamer pedals. I like the harmonics.

Again, s'cuse the sloppy playing:

Ric, no anything, DI:

4003 straight to board by Infant Molecule on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Leeds pedal only:

http://soundcloud.com/grinere/leedsforwardmids

TS9B going into Leeds, with some drive on Leeds, and everything flat, except the character at 9:00 or 10:00. The TS9B is blended pretty dry adn the OD is around 1:00, with bass and treble "slightly" boosted, I think:

clip 1:
BTS>> Leeds by Infant Molecule on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

clip 2:
TS9B>>Leeds di by Infant Molecule on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

My like of the mids on the Tube Screamers and the dislike of the artifacts I got with the TS9B has prompted me to get a Moen Buffalo(for its' speaker sim and para mids) and also try another praised Tube Screamer variant:

The Reverend Drivetrain II(which I scored on ebay today).

I've gone and od'ed on OD now.