Anyone who bought Wounded Paw Super Blender and doesn't like it?

[CallMeBlind]

I would second hand it

[oilhole]

I dont like mine to much. I would wait for something else if I were you.

The clean blend knob doesn't seem to do anything accept piss you off.

I dont like the buffers. I dont understand why you need a bass and treble knob.

If you want to turn channel A off, both B & C go off also. What was the point of that ?

This is all MY opinion though. Im no expert by any means

[CallMeBlind]

Originally Posted by oilhole

If you want to turn channel A off, both B & C go off also. What was the point of that ?

Really? I didn't know that! Thanks for a tip. Hm...that's making my choice difficult once again

[bovine mind]

Originally Posted by oilhole

I dont like mine to much. I would wait for something else if I were you.

The clean blend knob doesn't seem to do anything accept piss you off.

I dont like the buffers. I dont understand why you need a bass and treble knob.

If you want to turn channel A off, both B & C go off also. What was the point of that ?

This is all MY opinion though. Im no expert by any means

Really?

[gnasher1993]

Originally Posted by oilhole

I dont like mine to much. I would wait for something else if I were you.

The clean blend knob doesn't seem to do anything accept piss you off.

I dont like the buffers. I dont understand why you need a bass and treble knob.

If you want to turn channel A off, both B & C go off also. What was the point of that ?

This is all MY opinion though. Im no expert by any means

1st post?

[oilhole]

I do use my Super Blender everyday. Have not given up on it. Maybe I had an illusion of what the clean blend function would do. Ive never used a clean blend, so I cant compare it with anything. Ive only used the LS-2.

Maybe the bass and treble knob are useful. Like I said, Im no expert. I dont have a good grasp of what buffers do either. all I know is it is over driving one of my pedals I have in the loop, and I think it is because of the buffer. Not really for sure on that, but I dont know what else it could be.

I was hoping Jazz Ad might have some good report. Maybe Im not using it correctly.

[Bob C]

oilhole,

I don't own one, but when I read up on the Super Blender, I thought it would be perfect "if it only had such & such" and "didn't have so & so". I got responses from WP and posters here to the effect of "You can't please all of the people all of the time" - which is true, of course.

I don't like the idea of that channel A being tied in with the on/off either. I'm very curious about your problem with the clean blend. Perhaps you got a lemon. Can you elaborate?

I've been waiting for Jazz Ad to give a review as well.

[oilhole]

I had envisioned, when you turned the clean blend knob, you would get clean bass tone mixed in with your effects. It seems to only be making the clean bass tone way to hot.

Using my LS-2 worked perfectly. I was hoping for that type of effect

Granted, I was using one of the channels of the LS-2 to do this. Maybe it cant be done using all three channels of the SB on effects. I dont know, Ive never used a real clean blend, just the LS-2

[Bob C]

oilhole,

I just typed a response and it disappeared. So here goes again:

I believe the SB SHOULD give you the same clean blend results as the LS-2. Of course all of the levels are relative to each other. If you crank the clean and loops A, B and C are way low, the clean will likely be louder.

Also, if your stompboxes have their own level controls,that affects things too. I think it would be very useful to have a master volume on the SB, for easier unity gain. Maybe that's just me.

Anyway, WP states that you can definitely run all three channels (plus the clean) at one time. Any chance you have something hooked up backwards? I'm guessing no, or it wouldn't work at all. But I thought I'd throw it out there.

[Wounded Paw]

I'm not sure I understand the problem with the clean blend. The clean volume control does just that, sets the volume of the clean signal. Is it not enough or too much? I can get a mix of signals with various pedals in the effects loops without any problems. It's basically like a mixer for 4 channels, clean + 3 effects loops and all channels are treated the same, unity gain buffers to eliminate interference between the channels. The output amp has a bit of gain to make up for differences in levels so unity on the clean channel would be about halfway on the clean volume knob.
Without the buffers there is all kinds of chaos, turning volume knobs on one channel would affect others, pedals in the effects loops would interact with each other, tone sucking can be a big problem, oscillation can occur. It's just not possible to build something like this without buffers. Basically it'd just be a bunch of y cables with volume knobs, no good.

I have decided to make the next version with 4 foot switches because it would seem my decision to group the main bypass with the clean and A channels is less than universally popular. It does mean the foot switches will be quite close together because I definitely do not want to go to a bigger box.

I appreciate the feedback so keep it coming.

Also the regular Blender is getting a make over with a phase switch on the effects loop and two foot switches, one for bypass and one to switch on/off the effects loop, plus the tone controls on the clean channel.

[Bob C]

Thanks for the update. This is good information.

[oilhole]

Ah ha.........its clean volume. NOT clean blend. OK

See ? I told you im no expert

I guess the name Super Blender, means, it blends 3 parallel loops together. Wich is mainly what I wanted anyho

It does that part perfectly. And thank you for helping me to understand about the buffers

AND, I guess it was a good idea making channel A the main bypass. Who wants 4 switches down there. It would definately be too close together

[Bob C]

Yes it blends three loops AND one clean signal. This may be splitting hairs, but I consider it (as well as the LS-2) a mixer, rather than a "blender".

On a blender like the Barge VB or X-otic X-blender, you can vary the ratio (blend) of wet to dry, but the overall volume remains the same (unless you have a boost control, which the X-blender does).

Maybe you had more problems than with your Boss because the WP has more channels to work with. So, more tweaking is involved.

[oilhole]

Originally Posted by Bob C

Yes it blends three loops AND one clean signal. This may be splitting hairs, but I consider it (as well as the LS-2) a mixer, rather than a "blender".

On a blender like the Barge VB or X-otic X-blender, you can vary the ratio (blend) of wet to dry, but the overall volume remains the same (unless you have a boost control, which the X-blender does).

I dont think it blends the clean signal. Its a clean volume for all 3 loops I believe. (maybe Im wrong)

I could get an X-otic blender and put the whole super blender in it. Mwahahaha

EDIT: That word CLEAN is a tricky word

EDIT: I think its the clean signal coming in. The knob that says "clean" under it ? THAT KNOB adjust the signal going to all 3 loops. Doesn't bend it

EDIT: Thats probably WHY my signal is too hot to one of my effects. That there CLEAN knob is turned up a bit to high

EDIT: That there instruction manual, sho would have hep us folks in Texas. I wouldn't feel so dumb if I had that

[Wounded Paw]

nope, Bob is right. The clean knob is a volume for the clean signal sent to the output only.
Each effects loop gets a unity gain signal sent to the effects loop and its own volume control on the return from that effects loop. To blend 4 signals you need to use separate volume controls on each one.
Think of the clean channel as exactly the same as one of the effects loops but with no effect in it, just the tone controls.

[oilhole]

How is my daughter on a full scholastic scholorship at A&M an im so stupid ?

[Wounded Paw]

I swore I was going to write a manual but then I got sidetracked with new projects, went on tour, etc.

[oilhole]

I still dont understand the point of a clean signal, if its not to blend it into the mix ?

Oh well. I just dont have the IQ to understand theese things. Over and out

I will read your explanation over and over Mr. paw. Maybe it will sink in

[bovine mind]

Very glad to see this thread before buying one. I'm still a little unsure if this will do what I need it to.

Currently using the Barge VFB-2. I really like that I can turn the knob and blend the effected signal in to 100% and back. The problem is I need more than one loop to group certain effects that need to be 100% blended in with no clean signal, like my low pass filter, Octaver, and other really synthy effects.

For whatever it's worth, I'd love the see a blend that had 2-3 independent channels each with a true blend knob, meaning as I turn the knob clockwise, the effected signal is blended in, and the volume stays the same. A master volume at the end and a master bypass switch would seal the deal, bone simple. I don't really use the feedback loop on my Barge. Does the Super Blender do this, and/or will any future designs do this?

[Wounded Paw]

Okay, this is the point that I find hard to explain. When you have 2 (or more) effects loops and you want to blend each with the clean signal you end up with 2 (or more) channels, each one an effects loop blended with a clean signal. You still need to mix these channels together to send to a final output.
So you won't always have both these channels on and when you mix these two blended signals together you're going to have a volume difference depending on whether one or both of them are on at the same time. The clean signal from both of the channels will add to each other to increase the volume when both channels are on.
This is why it's physically impossible to have multiple effects loops each with a clean blend and still have a constant output volume.