Autotune?

[lkngro]

What would a fretless bass sound like with Autotune?

Does anyone have both and is willing to do clips?

Just thought it was a cool idea.

[Swift713]

Do you mean like Cher auto tune or like Glee?

[Explorer]

Given that a fretless has the ability to scoop into notes, and to slide, AutoTune set on the Auto mode would sound just as hard as on the Cher hit "Believe," only no one would notice that a fretless was being used.

I suppose that one could use AutoTune in the Graphical mode, which allows one to decide how extensive the correction will be in any given section.

Here's a page which gives some great examples of what AutoTune sounds like and how it works. You can extrapolate from the voice examples and imagine what would happen with a fretless.

http://www.dyz.com/column1/

Having known guys who would actually edit their MIDI data to the point of losing all spontaneity, I don't know how useful it would be to spend all that time on editing a single performance every time, as opposed to spending that time woodshedding to bring a fretless... or one's technique... under control.

Anyway, if it's just to hear if it's a cool effect, I imagine it would be invisible to a listener, as most basses are fretted and are constrained to those pitches, unless one does any kind of bends or vibrato. In that case, you lose all of that.

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[DwaynieAD]

my metalcore band auto-tuned bass drops...
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[pasta4lnch]

not pleasant I would imagine . . . though when does AT sound pleasant

if it was "cher'd" it'd probably sound stepped, almost fretted but not in a cool way, if set more conservatively it sound sort of jarbled. like a player who wasn't sure which way to slide almost. like it sticks to the note it started on then when it gets too out it unnaturally goes to the next note (morning, first cup-o-coffee - best I can explain)

AT for protools is a bit more advanced than the audio units version I have so it might be different...

[lkngro]

I dunno I think it would be interesting. I could definitely see a band like the Flaming Lips or Spoon doing something like that.

[Stick_Player]

Auto-Tune is over and done.

Celemony Melodyne is the best for pitch correction.

One can even pitch correct notes WITHIN a chord. Such as a three-part vocal harmony recorded with three singers onto one track - and the middle voice is slightly out of tune on a couple notes, yet the overall performance was very good. Place the track into Melodyne Editor, it displays ALL the notes. Move ONLY the one pitch that is not in tune - viola! - fixed without changing the other simultaneously sung pitches.

Back to the OP's question, if pitch-corrected by someone who knows how to use this software, the correction would be imperceptible - yet in tune.

To all the "Cher" fans, that record was done 12 years ago - move on.

[dj150888]

Originally Posted by Stick_Player

Auto-Tune is over and done.

Celemony Melodyne is the best for pitch correction.

One can even pitch correct notes WITHIN a chord. Such as a three-part vocal harmony recorded with three singers onto one track - and the middle voice is slightly out of tune on a couple notes, yet the overall performance was very good. Place the track into Melodyne Editor, it displays ALL the notes. Move ONLY the one pitch that is not in tune - viola! - fixed without changing the other simultaneously sung pitches.

Back to the OP's question, if pitch-corrected by someone who knows how to use this software, the correction would be imperceptible - yet in tune.

To all the "Cher" fans, that record was done 12 years ago - move on.

Call me old fashioned, but I prefer it when my singers can actually sing. Melodyne offers WAY too much control, totally removing any need for talent with the musicians/singers using it. Some people are cool with that, I'm not. Granted, I won't use autotune on our material either, fortunately our singer can actually be in tune.


As for the bass idea, I reckon it'd sound strange. If you want to sound strange, nothing to stop you experimenting.

[Stick_Player]

... but I prefer it when my singers can actually sing.

Who doesn't?

As far as Melodyne being "feature rich", that is very true.

But, you don't need to use all the features simultaneously on full blast.

Take the 30-day, full feature demo that is available. Then comment.

But be warned, you probably won't turn back.

[fokof]

Originally Posted by Stick_Player

Auto-Tune is over and done.
.....
To all the "Cher" fans, that record was done 12 years ago - move on.

Thats what I say to myself everytime I hear some , but I don't say to myself Move On I say "Learn To Effin Sing ON Pitch !!!!!"

It's everywhere ! On every pop song , it's an infestation on HipHop !!! No one has to learn to sing nowadays , just use that plugin Et Voilà ! Damn ..........

Rant over

As for the fretless , if it's like on vocals , when the correction is very small , you can't hear it , it's when you apply a dramatic correction that you can hear the "formant".
( In DP anyways)

PS : For the South Park fans , listen to the commentaries of Trey Parker on the "Fish Stick" episode on AT.

[dj150888]

Originally Posted by Stick_Player

Who doesn't?

As far as Melodyne being "feature rich", that is very true.

But, you don't need to use all the features simultaneously on full blast.

Take the 30-day, full feature demo that is available. Then comment.

But be warned, you probably won't turn back.

The style of music I play places a lot more focus on character and the likes than vocals being accurate to the 1/4 cent.

I have no need to try the demo, I don't do our recording, I don't have strong enough skills as an engineer for that, I've never recorded anything beyond the demo stage.

However, I can wholeheartedly say I would turn back. Our singer is accurate. If he misses a bit, I'd rather run one more take and nail it properly. The extra few seconds to run another take seems like much less effort than learning how to use an entire programme, and then working within it.

For the record, the studio we worked in for the new album had both melodyne and autotune available, we stated right away that we wouldn't have any of them used. After our first couple of vocal takes, the producer agreed with us that we wouldn't need it. I'm just a firm believer that if the singer isn't good enough to nail it, rewrite the melody so he/she can, or find a new singer. I don't like this plastic music that requires only the most basic level of musical talent, dragged together to sound "good" using computer programming. I want to hear the band playing, not a computer simulation of that.

What pains me even more is when you find genuinely good bands who, completely uneccesarily have their vocals plastered with autotune. Whats the point? It removes the human aspect of music.

[Swift713]

What I meant by the Cher reference was do you want pitch correction or an effect? If it's pitch correction then maybe you should practice.
As for vocals, I'm not a very good singer but I hate that people with less musical ability than myself are getting rich pretending to sing. At least they can't make Lady Gaga look like she can dance :/

[JohnDavisNYC]

tools are tools... i rock melodyne when i need to, i mix vocals with killing singers with no melodyne, and i mix vocals out of tune when it's right for the music.

melodyne (or autotune or waves tune, or whatever flavor of pitch correction you prefer) is a tool.... that's it. it's nice to be able to fix the pitchy viola in the string quartet instead of hiring the quartet a second time and requesting a different violist...

i'm going to make a rediculously auto-tuned fretless bass track now... in honor of this thread.

john

[dj150888]

Originally Posted by JohnDavisNYC

tools are tools... i rock melodyne when i need to, i mix vocals with killing singers with no melodyne, and i mix vocals out of tune when it's right for the music.

melodyne (or autotune or waves tune, or whatever flavor of pitch correction you prefer) is a tool.... that's it. it's nice to be able to fix the pitchy viola in the string quartet instead of hiring the quartet a second time and requesting a different violist...

i'm going to make a rediculously auto-tuned fretless bass track now... in honor of this thread.

john

If you're hiring a string quartet, the least they should be able to do is play on pitch.

I just don't see why its deemed remotely desireable to settle for sub-par musicianship. If I'm going to hire someone, they're going to be able to do the job they've been hired to do, or they're not getting paid. If I'm working with someone in my own band, well they have to be of a high enough quality to do it live, so they sure as hell should be able to nail it in the studio.

[Stick_Player]

dj150888 ,

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've stated.

However, I have needed to use Melodyne during mixing after some little problem has grown to an annoying sore-thumb.

In these situations, after the performer has long gone or I am not in the original tracking facility or cannot recreate the original tracking set up, Melodyne has 'saved' the day.

I used it recently on a live recording, that I did not do, of a piano and violin recital where the violinist missed a single note (missed the shift) of an otherwise very good performance. Fixed the violin note without changing the piano. Amazing software.

[fokof]

If you use these plugins to correct slightly out of tune stuff , it's OK , can be seen as a tool.(while I wouldn't want to apply that to me and/or my bands) What gives a "human" feel as opposed to a quantized MIDI tracks is the flaws in the time and in the pitch.
AT everything and Quantize the beat ( beat detective in DP , PT and such) and it sounds like a glorified MIDI song.

The problem I have with this is when I see people who doesn't sing at all , no clue , very out of pitch , being corrected.

[Moe45673]

Here's some autotune fun. Really rough. One guitar track done quickly, one bass track, some barely touched MIDI drums, and me and my roommate, neither of us great singers, heavily autotuned in the auto mode (basically, set timbre, key, and crank the knob). The song is Bed Intruder by the Gregory Brothers.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...songID=9802747

[M0ses]

In reality there are two legitimate uses for autotune:

1. The infamous Cher effect.
2. Making youtube videos into pop.

[Swift713]

On second thought, someone could have used some auto tune last night on SNL