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11-29-2007, 02:14 AM
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i just saw this http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp...0-VB1-PH9.html Behringer got some new effects out, well it just looks to me like the vintage bass just looks like an ehx small clone, the PH9 just looks like a rust ride without the same knob,  hhhmmmm
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11-29-2007, 02:22 AM
|  | Ojo. | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Beaumont/Calimesa, CA | | | the VB1 is a copy of the Bassballs, actually.
i haven't tried Behringer's effects line, but i've not really felt inclined to.
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11-29-2007, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jetpackbassist  the VB1 is a copy of the Bassballs, actually.
i haven't tried Behringer's effects line, but i've not really felt inclined to. | it sure is, i just looked at it and small clone was the first to come to mind, and i said to my self "eh, on talkbass you go" i only started to read it after . i wasn't inferring that they did the same thing, it was just on how they looked
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11-29-2007, 02:50 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia | | | Yeah, they suck, tried one of their effects a few weeks ago. Not very nice at all. |
11-29-2007, 08:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Sarnia, Ontario, Canada | | | so...you think the PH9 is a Phase 90 w/Script mod switch, or a Small Stone?
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11-29-2007, 08:38 AM
|  | ...of a highly stimulating nature | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa City, Iowa USA | | | It is clear that the OP wants this to be another Behringer bashing thread, but I have to say I will try the PH9 if it is inexpensive like their other effects. It looks like they might be stepping up the quality- metal box, hard-wired bypass. |
11-29-2007, 08:42 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Belgium (Antwerp) | | | What Behringer-bashing? I dig Behringer 'cause they are inexpensive and are quite succesful in their cloning
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11-29-2007, 08:50 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: STL | | | I've actually been very pleased with the Behringer gear I've owned in the past. I'm still not sure why people rag on them so much. I found their bass V-Amp excellent both for home recording and practice. it's certainly better than Peavey and Crate gear I was playing when I first got going 13 years ago. kids these days get better sounding stuff for a hell of a lot cheaper.
of course if you can afford better, get it. |
11-29-2007, 08:51 AM
| | ...of a highly stimulating nature | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa City, Iowa USA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by perogato02 What Behringer-bashing? | The word "Yuck" in the title.
I haven't tried any of the behringer pedals yet. The reviews are certainly mixed on Talkbass. The prices are good. |
11-29-2007, 11:31 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado | | | I have the BDI-21 and it's a nice pedal at a great price. No complaints. seems like it has a bit less range of control than the SansAmp it copies, but that's OK by me.
I'd like to try their BO-100 or OD-100 overdrives, and have them on my Christmas list.
And for that matter, my BX-4500H amp hasn't let me down, either. |
11-29-2007, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by squarewave The word "Yuck" in the title. | Not to mention saying yuck about pedals and not even knowing what they are!
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11-29-2007, 02:06 PM
|  | Reads well and plays nice with others... | | Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Southwestern Pennsylvania | | | I'm selling a Behringer amp head (or at least trying to sell one) that's actually been quite good. It's the same design as an Ashdown, but it's smaller, heavier, and has a midrange shape control that let's you dial in any kind of midrange you'd like (and it can be activated/deactivated with a footswitch or a switch on the faceplate). That's not a clone...that's an improvement. I'm only selling it because of the weight issue - trying to lighten up.
No Behringer bashing from me...I would call them, "Affordable."
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11-29-2007, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by squarewave It is clear that the OP wants this to be another Behringer bashing thread, but I have to say I will try the PH9 if it is inexpensive like their other effects. It looks like they might be stepping up the quality- metal box, hard-wired bypass. | I was actually takin a look at that one too, if you end up buying it before me make a thread or post about it in here (I'll do the same if I buy one first) and tell me what you think about it.
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11-29-2007, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilgrim I have the BDI-21 and it's a nice pedal at a great price. No complaints. seems like it has a bit less range of control than the SansAmp it copies, but that's OK by me. | +1 I like my BDI21 just fine. I use it primarily for tone-shaping (rather than a DI) and I can get a lot of good usable tones from it. I have not tried anything else from them though |
11-29-2007, 05:36 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | Although I haven't personally ever used any of Behringer's products, I think it's important to remember that beginners, and young players with little or no $$ have the opportunity to have some gear they can afford. Back in the day, there were no discount pedals to be had, and if you wanted something like an fx pedal, you needed the dough. My hat's off to companies like this that put some cool gear in the hands of this new generation of musicians. I'll stick with mostly mid grade gear, myself. (Ehx) |
11-29-2007, 05:42 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Portland Oregon | | It all depends on your morals. Behringer just outright copies other products with inferior parts and cheap labor.They spend no money on product development. They get away with it because of how international laws are written. If they get sued, (Which they have been) the fines are well below their profit margin. It's happening everywhere and people are ok with it.  |
11-29-2007, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by basssalad It all depends on your morals. Behringer just outright copies other products with inferior parts and cheap labor.They spend no money on product development. They get away with it because of how international laws are written. If they get sued, (Which they have been) the fines are well below their profit margin. It's happening everywhere and people are ok with it. | you could replace Behringer with Walmart (or dozens of other companies) for that rant.
yes, they make a lot of copies and clones. other than companies that were previously overcharging (Mackie ::cough cough:  and companies with inferior products (Crate/Rogue/Nady), no one else has felt much of an impact from Behringer. Musicians tend to be brand loyal, and also have a generally misguided idea that expensive=good. Line 6 is currently doing just fine, and Behringer has tons of Line 6 clone gear on the market.
if you want to argue ethics and morals, then feel free as you'll lose me. I tend to be morally indifferent regarding copyright and patent infringement. but from a financial perspective, they aren't really hurting anyone who wasn't already in a position to be easily injured. |
11-29-2007, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by basssalad It all depends on your morals. Behringer just outright copies other products with inferior parts and cheap labor.They spend no money on product development. They get away with it because of how international laws are written. If they get sued, (Which they have been) the fines are well below their profit margin. It's happening everywhere and people are ok with it. | If Talkbass has taught me anything, it's that some companies can blatantly copy other manufacturers' product and charge more for them and be considered heroes and the pinnacle of the craft. But if another company does the same thing and charges less, it's reprehensible.
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11-29-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicvi Not to mention saying yuck about pedals and not even knowing what they are! | hey i said they LOOKED the same i DID NOT say they did the same thing. |
11-30-2007, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperDuck If Talkbass has taught me anything, it's that some companies can blatantly copy other manufacturers' product and charge more for them and be considered heroes and the pinnacle of the craft. But if another company does the same thing and charges less, it's reprehensible.
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