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06-10-2008, 07:54 PM
| | | | Ben Kenney's overdriven tone in Megalomaniac
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I finally found the overdriven tone I am after. Here is the song - http://youtube.com/watch?v=iFnnV595byE - you can cleary hear the bass in the verses (0:50 - 1:15) and in the bridge (2:45 - 3:10). He got these tones from a Bass POD and an Orange guitar amp. What pedal would get me closest to this sound? I am considering the Fulltone Bass-Drive, Homebrew Hematoma, EHX English Muff'n, Z. Vex Box of Rock, Analog.man modded Ibanez TS9DX, Keeley modded Boss BD-2, Maxon OD-820 and Barber LTD. The tone is pretty distinct, but it is exactly what I want. I already have a jazz, and I am going to string it with flats soon, and I have the palm-muting with a pick technique down, which Kenney uses frequently.
Last edited by Ryan Mohr : 06-10-2008 at 07:56 PM.
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06-10-2008, 09:33 PM
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Endorsing artist: Lakland Basses | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Brooklyn, NY | | | Ben personally recommended the Fulltone to me, and I think he's been using it live. His old rig had the Big Block 750's second channel for overdrive, but the new rig with 2 Walkabout Scouts plus extensions doesn't have that. I love my Bass Drive and have had absolutely no problems with it. |
06-10-2008, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by arispect  Ben personally recommended the Fulltone to me, and I think he's been using it live. His old rig had the Big Block 750's second channel for overdrive, but the new rig with 2 Walkabout Scouts plus extensions doesn't have that. I love my Bass Drive and have had absolutely no problems with it. | I have heard many times that Ben now uses and recommends the Bass-Drive, but is it the best for copping the tones on ACLOTM. |
06-10-2008, 10:48 PM
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Non-Stereotypical GC Sales/Training Manager...No more selling :( | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NY | | | Get the Lil' Jovi AKA Polish love pedal. I used to own a bass drive but it didn't click my button like this simple two knob, two switch pedal! |
06-11-2008, 12:22 AM
| | | | Search it up on bassplayer.com. I'm almost certain he used the BassPod exclusively on that album. No amp or cab, just DI. And he was pretty secretive about his settings.
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06-11-2008, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BassMonstrum Search it up on bassplayer.com. I'm almost certain he used the BassPod exclusively on that album. No amp or cab, just DI. And he was pretty secretive about his settings. | I have read all the bass player articles on him. Here's a quote from one of them:
“Most of the time, we ran it through a Line 6 Bass POD and a D.W. Fearn DI. Occasionally, we’d stick it through an Orange guitar amp to put a bit more hair on its chest, but most of what you hear is just the Joe Osborn DI’d. We used the POD for a bit of fuzz here and there. Brendan showed me his secret Bass POD setting but I swore on my life I’d never reveal it. All I can say is a pinch of gain, a drop of treble, and a few pounds of compression and you’re halfway there. When we really wanted the bass to sound offensive, we’d plug it into the Orange, but that’s it.” So without shelling out the cash for a Bass POD and an Orange guitar amp, which of the pedals would help me achieve this sound best? |
06-12-2008, 11:06 AM
| | | | Maybe a Sansamp BDDI or EBS Multidrive. I have both and have gotten a pretty similar sound with my Jazzbass.
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06-14-2008, 08:14 PM
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06-15-2008, 10:20 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: belgium | | | Tube pre and fulltone bassdrive and flats on a J or P and you get really close |
06-15-2008, 12:38 PM
| | | | What about a Hematoma for this tone, or is it not gritty enough? |
09-02-2008, 09:47 AM
| | | | bump one last time |
09-02-2008, 12:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: belgium | | | Live he uses the fulltone in compcut to boost the tone, he uses it to drive the tube pre of his BB750/walkabout rigs, thats how he gets the tone
don't be scared if it sounds a little harsh played solo, because this kind of OD really shines within the mix where Only the grit comes out and the higher buzzy annoying sounds get covered by cymbals guitars and such |
09-02-2008, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lowmid Live he uses the fulltone in compcut to boost the tone, he uses it to drive the tube pre of his BB750/walkabout rigs, thats how he gets the tone
don't be scared if it sounds a little harsh played solo, because this kind of OD really shines within the mix where Only the grit comes out and the higher buzzy annoying sounds get covered by cymbals guitars and such | Thanks! But I was wondering about this specific song, which doesn't have the bass-drive or mesa amps. |
11-12-2008, 09:40 PM
| | | | One-last bump. Please don't recommend the Bass-Drive because I don't like the clips I have heard of it very much, too buzzy. I am now considering the Z. Vex Box of Rock, Barber LTD SR, Aguilar Tone Hammer, and DHA VT1 Standard. |
11-12-2008, 09:45 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan | | | Actually, what would really probably get you closest is a real version of whatever pedal model they used on the bass pod, along with some compression and the right amp settings. If you can find me a youtube sample that you think has the distortion coming from the bass pod there's a small chance I might be able to identify at least what pedal is being emulated, I did have a Bass PodXT or whatever for a long time. |
11-12-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark Olson Actually, what would really probably get you closest is a real version of whatever pedal model they used on the bass pod, along with some compression and the right amp settings. If you can find me a youtube sample that you think has the distortion coming from the bass pod there's a small chance I might be able to identify at least what pedal is being emulated, I did have a Bass PodXT or whatever for a long time. | That youtube link has the distortion coming from a POD, with a DW Fearn DI. Here's another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXeCRBj9YBo But, I really don't want to buy a Bass POD, and I don't mean to sound like an a**hole, but I just want to get close to that sound with an overdrive pedal. Here's a better question, could I get that tone with the VT1 or the Box of Rock (assuming the VT1 is the same as the first channel on the pedal you have). |
11-12-2008, 10:33 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan | | No, I understand. Having owned the Bass Pod XT Pro it is a really cool and useful tool, but personally, in a live rather than studio situation I preferred the real deals. I have heard about Brendan's fabled Bass Pod setting, but I never thought to pursue it when I had the Pod, unfortunately.
But anyways, let's see what we can't figure out... now there's a relatively limited amount of ways to get overdrive out of the Pod. It really only models a few dirt pedals though it's possible to get a distorted sound using the amp models too. Now, unfortunately I only have my lousy computer speakers to go by right now so I can't give it too good of a listen, but is the tone you're referring to the tone at 2:45 in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFnnV595byE ? Judging by what I can tell just hearing that bit over my lousy computer speakers, you could maybe get that tone by cranking the Ampeg SVT model in the POD, or with possibly the "Bass Overdrive" setting (which as I remember is not exactly what they say it is when they say a "Line 6 Original" it's actually a Sansamp emulator) though that one I think may be unlikely, but my most likely picks are either the vintage Pro Co Rat model, or possibly the triangle knob big muff model set at a lower gain setting (odd enough those are the two models I would use on the POD for my dirty sounds). I can definitely rule out the Tube Screamer, Fuzz Face, Octavia, and Brassmaster models, and that's all of the dirt models the POD has! My most likely intuition is that it's the Pro Co Rat model, I did get some very similar sounds with that one myself. Also note that the vintage original Pro Co Rat is much friendlier on the bottom than the newer Rat 2's for example.
If you don't feel like trying to hunt down a vintage Rat, I would say your best bet to try to achieve that tone is with a Proco Turbo Rat, which has all of the Rat bite, is capable of nice overdrive on through distortion, and is quite friendly on the bottom in my experience. But do note that I'm fairly certain that even with the Pro Co Rat patch on the POD, that there is an Ampeg SVT being modeled on that sound as well, which would help bring out and contribute a lot of the pleasing qualities of that distorted sound. In fact an Ampeg amp may be a bigger part of that distorted sound that which distortion pedal was actually modeled. Definitely a treblier tone, with probably a lot of color on those frequencies coming from an amp model.
And if you want to go beyond that, there are only three compressors modeled on the Pod XT Pro, and someone with an ear for compression might be able to hazard a guess at which compressor it may be, it's only between the Boss CS-1, an MXR Dyna Comp, and the Line 6 Vetta. |
11-12-2008, 10:45 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan | | | Also I should note that the triangle knob configuration muff that is modeled in the POD was quite a bit different than any modern muff incarnation I've played. Though I think there are companies out there (I'm sure there's someone out there that can chime in on this) that make clones of the old triangle knob configuration muff. Something that may be worth looking into somewhere down the road. |
11-12-2008, 11:32 PM
| | Banned | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Michigan | | Out of those pedals, the Hartman is the one that most grabs my attention. But they all could be potentially awesome on bass if they can do what the original rat could do. Even with just the model of the original rat on the POD you can get a variety of good tones. The Chupacabra sounds good, but I don't know, I think I'd miss the traditional rat filter knob if they ditched it for a traditional tone knob.
I haven't tried the Lovepedal Plexi 800. It sounds cool but the aesthetics of the graphics really turn me off. Since I can't afford quite everything I'd like to I have to make spending judgements like that  . Something I would definitely try if I had a boatload of extra money though. Actually I was more interested in their Eternity pedal, though I can only imagine it would cut out all my bottom. But at any rate I can also get some high gain Marshall-esque sounds out of the Box of Rock with my Analogman Bass Beano Boost. I did a soundclip of that with my SG Bass, with dead flatwound strings mind you and it sounds like this: http://media.putfile.com/BassBeanoBoost
You can just imagine the amount of crunch you can get with roundwound strings, or even with a more modern sounding bass. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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