Best of both worlds?

[ReldvS]

ive been reading a lot about Big Muff pedals on here and how they compare to the Bass Big Muff. One thing ive noticed is that it seems that the older pedals, from what i read, have a "better" sounds but seem to lack sturdy construction or are hard to find or Ive read that ppl say the Bass Big Muff is good but lacks a lil "Muffiness" or just lacks something

now if that is indeed true. Has anyone tried to build a clone of a BASS BIG MUFF and integrate what seems to be lacking from it. That sweet sounds from the Sovteks but adapted to a Bass specific application?

if so, please send me a link. id love to read more about that and it seems that most of the DIY clone sites out there never seem to be BASS Big Muff specific.

[rratajski]

I haven't seen anything yet, but there aren't many muffs out there w/ blends built in.

Your best bet is to get a muff clone or whatever muff you want and get a blend pedal if you don't like the EHX BBM. You can mod the muff for a bass boost or mid boost, etc...

The BBM is based off of the Black Russian in a smaller footprint and some 'upgraded' features.

[ReldvS]

Originally Posted by rratajski

I haven't seen anything yet, but there aren't many muffs out there w/ blends built in.

Your best bet is to get a muff clone or whatever muff you want and get a blend pedal if you don't like the EHX BBM. You can mod the muff for a bass boost or mid boost, etc...

The BBM is based off of the Black Russian in a smaller footprint and some 'upgraded' features.

My bass head has a built in bass fx blend knob (swr4004) Now ill actually have a use for it

Im gonna do some more comparisons on Muffs
and also look more into how to use my blend knob on my head properly.

thanks

[Mudfuzz]

Originally Posted by rratajski

The BBM is based off of the Black Russian in a smaller footprint and some 'upgraded' features.

It's funny though, I own both and to me they don't sound alike at all.

I find the Russian over all better sounding and more what a ******* Big Muff should sound like but the "bend" in the BBM still makes the BBM more practical for most bassist that don't want two pedals to get the sound.

Now if someone were to make a nice muff with a blend it would be like oh so cool

[Mudfuzz]

Originally Posted by ReldvS

Bass Big Muff is good but lacks a lil "Muffiness" or just lacks something

Originally Posted by ReldvS

now if that is indeed true. Has anyone tried to build a clone of a BASS BIG MUFF and integrate what seems to be lacking from it.

To me what it lacks though is what makes it's followers love it which is it is tame, and nice, and save. IMOP

Personally I feel where is shines is in really low gain settings that just add a bit of fur and add more of a texture to the sound.

[ReldvS]

i totally agree which spawned this thread. but since i already own a blend on my amp, do you think i would be better suited to try out the Russian Muff.

additionally, do you have any experience with using the RBM and also downtuning? They claim in the description of the BBM that its more suited to that or that is what it sounded like on the thing i read

so i want to maintain my LOW LOWs from tuning in say C,G,C,F or even B,E,A,D or the even lower A,E,A,D ....i use all these tunings plus an additional D,G,C,F and occasionally E,A,D,G (im in 3 different bands )

[Mudfuzz]

Originally Posted by ReldvS

i totally agree which spawned this thread. but since i already own a blend on my amp, do you think i would be better suited to try out the Russian Muff.

additionally, do you have any experience with using the RBM and also downtuning? They claim in the description of the BBM that its more suited to that or that is what it sounded like on the thing i read

so i want to maintain my LOW LOWs from tuning in say C,G,C,F or even B,E,A,D or the even lower A,E,A,D ....i use all these tunings plus an additional D,G,C,F and occasionally E,A,D,G (im in 3 different bands )

If you have a blender yes I'd get a RBM if it was me. I find NO problems with it with low tunings, I use a 5 most of the time and I've even got it sound sound ok with my Subcontra tuned bass [C,G,C,F but a octave below. It's problem is lack of mids not bass, it has lots of bass. The RBM isn't my main muff do to this and because I don't want a blender on my board. So I ended up with a more mid heavy muff which is a Katana Sound Thunder Cloud, it's lower gain and snarly instead of smooth and scooped like the russian muffs.

[Smurf-o-Deth]

Keep in mind, the effects loop in your head runs at line level, and will send a much hotter signal to your effects, which are designed to run at instrument level. This will in all likelihood have a very noticeable effect on your dirt. Try it, you may like it, but I'm just making sure you are aware.

[ReldvS]

Originally Posted by Smurf-o-Deth

Keep in mind, the effects loop in your head runs at line level, and will send a much hotter signal to your effects, which are designed to run at instrument level. This will in all likelihood have a very noticeable effect on your dirt. Try it, you may like it, but I'm just making sure you are aware.

thanks for that info, something i did not know. Do you think inserting the BBM in the effects loop may improve the sound of it? Im pretty much down to the RBM or the BBM but like most muff, ill prolly take the cheapest one i can find !!!! pun intended

looks like Evilbay will be where ill keep my eyes peeled. buy cheap and just do real world comparison

thanks for all the replies everyone.

[ReldvS]

Originally Posted by Mudfuzz

If you have a blender yes I'd get a RBM if it was me. I find NO problems with it with low tunings, I use a 5 most of the time and I've even got it sound sound ok with my Subcontra tuned bass [C,G,C,F but a octave below. It's problem is lack of mids not bass, it has lots of bass. The RBM isn't my main muff do to this and because I don't want a blender on my board. So I ended up with a more mid heavy muff which is a Katana Sound Thunder Cloud, it's lower gain and snarly instead of smooth and scooped like the russian muffs.

Thanks for the info about your tunings, that helps me clear up some concerns i was having with using a guitar pedal on a bass and loosing the low lows

[FreaqyFrequency]

Originally Posted by Mudfuzz

Now if someone were to make a nice muff with a blend it would be like oh so cool

Ding.

http://martoneaudio.com/WhiteRussian.htm

[TheWoodShed]

Originally Posted by FreaqyFrequency

Ding.

http://martoneaudio.com/WhiteRussian.htm

Interesting clips.

[Mudfuzz]

Originally Posted by FreaqyFrequency

Ding.

http://martoneaudio.com/WhiteRussian.htm

Yes I know... The thing is with that is for giging I know I'd end up wrapping it in ducktape once I found "the" setting

[TheWoodShed]

Originally Posted by Mudfuzz

Yes I know... The thing is with that is for giging I know I'd end up wrapping it in ducktape once I found "the" setting

I don't know, I don't think a pedal like like would have "the setting", but several of them.

But I am a guy who likes many different mufftones too.

[rratajski]

I think SnakeAnthony had the White Russian for a bit, but chose to sell-trade b/c there were just too many settings.

[FreaqyFrequency]

Originally Posted by rratajski

I think SnakeAnthony had the White Russian for a bit, but chose to sell-trade b/c there were just too many settings.

He told me that he loved it, but preferred the Bluebeard because its tone just slightly won out for him, and it was simpler.